1 00:00:04,190 --> 00:00:03,409 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,269 --> 00:00:04,200 triangle 3 00:00:06,380 --> 00:00:05,279 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:08,330 --> 00:00:06,390 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:08,340 Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't 6 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:10,710 involve aliens at all it was completely 7 00:00:17,060 --> 00:00:13,250 silent it comes right over our heads 8 00:00:18,650 --> 00:00:17,070 it's so toxic science also really 9 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:18,660 standing in the clearing he turned over 10 00:00:21,710 --> 00:00:20,430 to my father and held his hand and he 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:21,720 looked in his eyes and said we're not 12 00:00:31,099 --> 00:00:28,410 alone welcome to podcast UFO for our 13 00:00:33,170 --> 00:00:31,109 live show during the show feel free to 14 00:00:35,630 --> 00:00:33,180 participate live in our chat room and 15 00:00:39,170 --> 00:00:35,640 don't forget to Like us on our very 16 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:39,180 active Facebook page hello and welcome 17 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:40,770 to the show on Martin Willis your host 18 00:00:46,450 --> 00:00:43,200 and we got another great show for you 19 00:00:49,940 --> 00:00:46,460 this evening we have Marian Marian 20 00:00:53,150 --> 00:00:49,950 Riddick and he's an astronomer he was a 21 00:00:55,279 --> 00:00:53,160 former NASA astronomer very talented he 22 00:00:58,310 --> 00:00:55,289 does all kinds of things he's an artist 23 00:01:01,160 --> 00:00:58,320 as well and we are gonna be talking UFOs 24 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:01,170 with him after the updates with 25 00:01:06,170 --> 00:01:03,110 Alejandro Rojas coming up in a minute 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:06,180 just to let you know over at podcast UFO 27 00:01:11,420 --> 00:01:09,210 calm we do have another blog up this 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:11,430 week it's UFOs and the Hudson River 29 00:01:16,340 --> 00:01:14,250 Valley that's a great blog 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have a little bit of 44 00:01:55,819 --> 00:01:54,570 static in the background I'll talk about 45 00:01:57,139 --> 00:01:55,829 that later there's nothing I can do 46 00:02:00,770 --> 00:01:57,149 about it I hope that's not going to 47 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:00,780 upset the audiophile out there but it is 48 00:02:07,639 --> 00:02:03,450 what it is and Alejandro Rojas welcome 49 00:02:09,940 --> 00:02:07,649 to the show hello how are you I'm doing 50 00:02:14,030 --> 00:02:09,950 good good to have you good to have yes 51 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:14,040 happy to be here like they'd be here 52 00:02:20,089 --> 00:02:17,370 running around and I'm in complete crazy 53 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:20,099 town right now because of course the 54 00:02:24,350 --> 00:02:22,319 conference is just a little ways from 55 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:24,360 now in fact we just got back from the 56 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:27,510 hotel and it's such an awesome place I 57 00:02:31,309 --> 00:02:28,650 think people are gonna really like it 58 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:31,319 and this is what's really cool so sorry 59 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:33,870 I don't have much UFO news so it has to 60 00:02:40,099 --> 00:02:36,720 be some UFO Congress news but Martin 61 00:02:42,979 --> 00:02:40,109 said that was okay that's okay yes but 62 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:42,989 this is fun I made some posters covering 63 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:46,560 six really important UFO cases and I 64 00:02:52,129 --> 00:02:48,329 could send you a picture I guess I can 65 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:52,139 text it to you but I made a model of the 66 00:02:57,170 --> 00:02:55,200 Phoenix lights so I have the Phoenix 67 00:02:58,729 --> 00:02:57,180 lights a poster on that a poster on 68 00:03:00,589 --> 00:02:58,739 Roswell 69 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:00,599 let's see what was the other one in the 70 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:05,010 1952 Washington DC sightings then 71 00:03:14,690 --> 00:03:11,250 the Nimitz case the 2008 Chaco hair and 72 00:03:16,129 --> 00:03:14,700 then the Roosevelt in 2014-15 so I 73 00:03:18,259 --> 00:03:16,139 thought it'd be really cool to cover 74 00:03:21,710 --> 00:03:18,269 some really credible cases and make some 75 00:03:24,699 --> 00:03:21,720 neat posters and my buddy Doug Smythe 76 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:24,709 who runs Phoenix shaving Tom actually 77 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:27,810 created those for me so some of you if 78 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:29,459 you've been to alien Con you probably 79 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:31,169 saw him in the booth next to us he's a 80 00:03:36,409 --> 00:03:33,840 guy who wears as a beard and wears funny 81 00:03:38,150 --> 00:03:36,419 costumes sometimes by that really cool 82 00:03:40,369 --> 00:03:38,160 dude in fact I don't think you've met 83 00:03:40,610 --> 00:03:40,379 him yet Abby Martin hi it doesn't ring a 84 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:40,620 bell 85 00:03:43,789 --> 00:03:42,329 at first one I thought you were talking 86 00:03:46,430 --> 00:03:43,799 about this was he I thought you're 87 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:46,440 talking about the artist that he was on 88 00:03:52,009 --> 00:03:48,449 The Simpsons you know did The Simpsons 89 00:03:54,439 --> 00:03:52,019 Oh Dale oh you know he did though he did 90 00:03:58,159 --> 00:03:54,449 make me a jar so I'm a big fan of 91 00:03:59,720 --> 00:03:58,169 Futurama and Futurama remember all the 92 00:04:02,930 --> 00:03:59,730 older people or their heads were 93 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:02,940 preserved in part and not jars and they 94 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:05,609 talk so he did that kind of art for me 95 00:04:09,890 --> 00:04:07,470 which is kind of cool but yeah Dale's 96 00:04:11,569 --> 00:04:09,900 great but Dale and my friend Doug who 97 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:11,579 made these posters will be vendors at 98 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:13,260 the UFO Congress so you could meet him 99 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:15,690 there and Dale is selling he's going to 100 00:04:20,449 --> 00:04:18,510 be doing caricatures of people huh and 101 00:04:22,670 --> 00:04:20,459 he's going to be peeking those people's 102 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:22,680 heads in jars and of course Dale if 103 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:25,710 you're not aware is works for the 104 00:04:30,650 --> 00:04:27,930 Simpsons as a character designer 105 00:04:35,210 --> 00:04:30,660 and so they are they're made by pros 106 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:35,220 yeah awesome he's a great guy too but so 107 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:38,490 what is going on as far as you said 108 00:04:41,450 --> 00:04:39,810 you're you're at the hotel 109 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:41,460 I can't wage it's gonna be a couple days 110 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:42,960 I'm gonna be hopping over there to 111 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:45,570 Arizona I was at the hotel earlier today 112 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:49,650 now I'm at my end and so for the person 113 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:51,570 that has not checked out your website 114 00:04:55,969 --> 00:04:53,490 yet tell us a little bit about the 115 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:55,979 speakers that are gonna be there it's a 116 00:05:00,500 --> 00:04:57,330 long list 117 00:05:04,370 --> 00:05:00,510 I mean we have over 25 lectures an event 118 00:05:05,750 --> 00:05:04,380 I think one fun one is that we're gonna 119 00:05:08,060 --> 00:05:05,760 have Richard Dolan 120 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:08,070 and Tracy carpet you know there's some 121 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:11,250 kgr errors there and that's gonna be a 122 00:05:16,430 --> 00:05:13,410 lot of fun because they actually got 123 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:16,440 engaged at the UFO Congress a couple 124 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:19,080 years ago in fact I posted the picture I 125 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:21,330 was walking by outside you know running 126 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:24,120 from here to there and I said hi and 127 00:05:29,420 --> 00:05:26,460 they're like we just got engaged and so 128 00:05:31,249 --> 00:05:29,430 I took a picture and now they're married 129 00:05:34,730 --> 00:05:31,259 and it's fun that we're gonna have Tracy 130 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:34,740 talking I'm super excited well well you 131 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:36,930 know what you have arrived if you get 132 00:05:44,450 --> 00:05:40,680 engaged at the UFO Congress are you 133 00:05:46,430 --> 00:05:44,460 there alejandro nick pope snuck away and 134 00:05:48,020 --> 00:05:46,440 got married at the congress at like 135 00:05:50,779 --> 00:05:48,030 three or four years ago see really how 136 00:05:53,659 --> 00:05:50,789 about them yeah there's some type of 137 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:53,669 magic going on there yeah I better be 138 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:55,020 careful cuz I'm gonna be there by myself 139 00:05:58,899 --> 00:05:55,710 you know 140 00:06:04,360 --> 00:05:58,909 you never know yeah that's right Oh 141 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:04,370 biggis not too far for hours yeah okay 142 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:07,500 so yeah so tell us some more about some 143 00:06:12,469 --> 00:06:08,479 of the guests that are gonna be there 144 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:12,479 okay so I'm excited 1897 there was a 145 00:06:27,230 --> 00:06:17,130 flap of UFOs the Texas airships - we 146 00:06:27,589 --> 00:06:27,240 snapped up we have frozen Skype let's 147 00:06:29,089 --> 00:06:27,599 see 148 00:06:32,620 --> 00:06:29,099 Alejandra I don't know if you can hear 149 00:06:37,159 --> 00:06:32,630 me right now you're currently frozen so 150 00:06:38,690 --> 00:06:37,169 we'll see if you come back and we may 151 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:38,700 just have to switch right into talking 152 00:06:45,250 --> 00:06:41,730 to our guests right now I just see him 153 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:45,260 up on skype and that's it for now so 154 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:48,450 what I'll do is I'll just basically talk 155 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:49,620 about our guests and we'll see if 156 00:06:55,630 --> 00:06:53,460 Alejandro comes back so Maura and 157 00:06:58,880 --> 00:06:55,640 Rudnick he is an astronomer artist 158 00:07:00,610 --> 00:06:58,890 planetary scientists and author all 159 00:07:03,230 --> 00:07:00,620 rolled into one 160 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:03,240 Mauryan put himself through school by 161 00:07:07,010 --> 00:07:06,060 working in the aerospace industry as a 162 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:07,020 machinist 163 00:07:13,070 --> 00:07:10,110 and precision assembler for military and 164 00:07:16,250 --> 00:07:13,080 spacecraft components so with a degree 165 00:07:19,180 --> 00:07:16,260 in planetary geology in hand he began to 166 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:19,190 work at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory 167 00:07:24,410 --> 00:07:22,770 so looks like Alejandro is out of the 168 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:24,420 box I'm gonna try to give him a ring 169 00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:26,510 back just because it would be nice to 170 00:07:34,970 --> 00:07:33,390 continue on that on that the situation 171 00:07:39,290 --> 00:07:34,980 he was talking about let me just try to 172 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:39,300 get him in here and hopefully he will 173 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:47,430 answer so I heard about our guests 174 00:07:52,490 --> 00:07:50,430 through one of our listeners he told me 175 00:07:55,070 --> 00:07:52,500 that he heard him on another show and 176 00:07:57,590 --> 00:07:55,080 thought he was really interesting so 177 00:07:58,790 --> 00:07:57,600 we'll find that out looks like we're 178 00:08:01,870 --> 00:07:58,800 gonna have trouble connecting with 179 00:08:05,390 --> 00:08:01,880 Alejandro so I guess that's it for the 180 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:05,400 updates with him today so if you would 181 00:08:11,270 --> 00:08:08,880 if you want to just check out the UFO 182 00:08:13,430 --> 00:08:11,280 Congress website you can see all the 183 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:13,440 people that are going to be there for 184 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:15,840 speakers and the whole schedules up 185 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:19,890 there as well also if anyone is going to 186 00:08:24,890 --> 00:08:22,110 show up there I would love to meet you 187 00:08:28,310 --> 00:08:24,900 if you listen to the show so I'll be 188 00:08:32,180 --> 00:08:28,320 wearing I probably will wear my podcast 189 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:32,190 UFO hat and maybe a t-shirt but I'll be 190 00:08:38,780 --> 00:08:33,690 working behind the scenes quite a bit at 191 00:08:41,330 --> 00:08:38,790 the time but not always so I will be 192 00:08:42,380 --> 00:08:41,340 also in the lobby a lot anyway anyone 193 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:42,390 that listens to the show if you're going 194 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:44,670 to be there please do try to look me up 195 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:47,970 you can also email me at Martin at 196 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:51,570 podcast UFO comm and it would be fun too 197 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:53,940 I love meeting listeners to the show 198 00:08:58,670 --> 00:08:55,150 it's always fun 199 00:09:01,680 --> 00:08:58,680 so hang on just one minute it's gonna 200 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:01,690 just going to right alejandro real 201 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:04,770 quickly and we'll just move on here and 202 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:13,120 with our guest all right all right so 203 00:09:17,420 --> 00:09:16,150 mari and i hope you can hear me welcome 204 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:17,430 to the show 205 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:20,710 yes I'm here are you there yes 206 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:23,200 where we are we are like to be on yes 207 00:09:29,730 --> 00:09:26,170 thanks for having me on sure and I do 208 00:09:31,769 --> 00:09:29,740 appreciate you your willingness and I 209 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:31,779 want to talk about your background and 210 00:09:38,130 --> 00:09:35,250 what gets you interested in the topic so 211 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:38,140 let's talk about it when you were young 212 00:09:43,230 --> 00:09:39,400 that did you always have like an 213 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:43,240 interest in space to begin with um yeah 214 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:45,550 I was your typical kid who was it wanted 215 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:47,170 to become an astronaut and actually 216 00:09:51,269 --> 00:09:49,690 later at tried for the astronaut program 217 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:51,279 I got into the last group of a hundred 218 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:54,670 four on one of the tryouts astronaut 219 00:09:58,680 --> 00:09:56,890 tryouts for the shuttle program so at a 220 00:10:05,519 --> 00:09:58,690 young age I was already sort of pre 221 00:10:08,070 --> 00:10:05,529 programs for space and yeah I was um I 222 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:08,080 was like a lot of kids you know the 223 00:10:12,060 --> 00:10:09,610 whole thing with science fiction and 224 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:12,070 flying saucers and UFOs and everything 225 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:15,610 and I got my copy of Chariots of the 226 00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:17,950 Gods of course and all that and then all 227 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:20,320 that sort of faded away very quickly you 228 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:22,290 know has my life progressed 229 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:28,180 uh-huh and so how did you I mean getting 230 00:10:36,030 --> 00:10:31,450 into NASA is not an easy thing to do how 231 00:10:39,390 --> 00:10:36,040 did you how did that all come about well 232 00:10:41,010 --> 00:10:39,400 we lived here you know where I am not 233 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:41,020 far from JPL from the Jet Propulsion 234 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:44,800 Laboratory and we I've always been 235 00:10:50,370 --> 00:10:47,200 interested and so I was lucky in the 236 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:50,380 sense that I did over even as a kid I 237 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:52,529 sort of found out how things worked and 238 00:10:58,530 --> 00:10:54,880 before I knew it I was taking classes 239 00:11:00,060 --> 00:10:58,540 summer classes at Cal Tech in astronomy 240 00:11:05,430 --> 00:11:00,070 for three years and then the fourth 241 00:11:08,010 --> 00:11:05,440 summer I did biochemistry and during on 242 00:11:08,610 --> 00:11:08,020 mice and I spend my Saturday is also at 243 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:08,620 Caltech 244 00:11:12,270 --> 00:11:10,210 taking Saturday classes during the 245 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:12,280 regular part of the school year so while 246 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:13,930 everybody else was going to the beach I 247 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:15,850 was actually at Caltech you know 248 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:18,850 studying astronomy so Caltech sort of 249 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:22,270 put me in line with JPL and at a time I 250 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:26,560 was in college I got a my advisor with 251 00:11:33,210 --> 00:11:29,170 somebody from JPL who put me on a 252 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:33,220 project working on stuff for a Saturn's 253 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:35,770 moon eye a pitous which became sort of 254 00:11:43,590 --> 00:11:40,090 my my senior project and before I knew 255 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:43,600 it I was interning at JPL while working 256 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:46,600 having put myself through you know 257 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:49,390 through school doing the aerospace jobs 258 00:11:53,970 --> 00:11:52,210 and also you know how helping manage a 259 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:53,980 theater at night I like multiple jobs 260 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:56,130 well it was an insane time in my life 261 00:12:02,040 --> 00:11:58,890 but then I squeezed in like I said doing 262 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:02,050 internships at JPL and some wonderful 263 00:12:08,670 --> 00:12:04,330 people there really really gave me a 264 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:08,680 chance dr. David Pieri who's a renowned 265 00:12:13,860 --> 00:12:12,340 volcanologist put me on doing Europa 266 00:12:15,630 --> 00:12:13,870 work and everything I started mapping 267 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:15,640 them ice fractures on Jupiter's moon 268 00:12:23,340 --> 00:12:19,870 Europa and dr. Tim Parker he wasn't 269 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:23,350 doctor then he is now he was doing Mars 270 00:12:28,590 --> 00:12:27,130 mapping and so doing Alba Patera a lot 271 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:28,600 of other areas and stuff and there was a 272 00:12:34,190 --> 00:12:32,110 lot of lava tubes that they were 273 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:34,200 interested in and the lava tubes had 274 00:12:39,390 --> 00:12:37,510 these collapsed pit features so you see 275 00:12:41,220 --> 00:12:39,400 these long strings of dots and 276 00:12:43,380 --> 00:12:41,230 everything that they would go across the 277 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:43,390 Martian landscape and those are actually 278 00:12:49,230 --> 00:12:45,850 collapsed pits that opened into the lava 279 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:49,240 tubes below so lucky me got to map all 280 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:51,130 that stuff out you know for him but it 281 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:52,930 was great it put me in the right place 282 00:12:56,970 --> 00:12:55,330 at the right time and the people really 283 00:12:59,280 --> 00:12:56,980 really wonderful and before I knew it I 284 00:13:01,130 --> 00:12:59,290 found myself all of a sudden as an 285 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:01,140 astronomer you know working at Palomar 286 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:07,120 well because of that yeah I love you 287 00:13:11,850 --> 00:13:09,430 know to read articles about space and 288 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:11,860 different things and you know the the 289 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:14,260 black holes that's there's some sure you 290 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:18,370 probably saw the most recent where they 291 00:13:22,950 --> 00:13:20,110 think they saw a black hole swallow a 292 00:13:26,010 --> 00:13:22,960 star I think that's just the last couple 293 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:26,020 of days but one of the things that I've 294 00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:27,580 always wondered and maybe have an answer 295 00:13:33,390 --> 00:13:30,520 for this is when a black hole like 296 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:33,400 crushes in on itself is it basically 297 00:13:41,250 --> 00:13:37,360 like for instance this is all layman 298 00:13:42,810 --> 00:13:41,260 terms by the way but say an atom has so 299 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:42,820 much space in it now I'm gonna throw 300 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:46,720 equations at you no but saying atom has 301 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:48,250 so much space in it like if you 302 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:49,930 condensed every atom in your body I 303 00:13:52,980 --> 00:13:51,640 think you'd be the size of an ant or 304 00:13:56,010 --> 00:13:52,990 something like or even maybe even 305 00:13:59,760 --> 00:13:56,020 smaller so is that kind of what happens 306 00:14:02,190 --> 00:13:59,770 to a black hole is everything just gets 307 00:14:06,420 --> 00:14:02,200 condensed right down to the to the 308 00:14:07,170 --> 00:14:06,430 nuclear level I mean it's almost like if 309 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:07,180 you could think of it it's like 310 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:09,880 infinitely crushed to the point you know 311 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:11,980 where all the space is almost removed 312 00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:13,870 and the black hole itself you mean 313 00:14:17,180 --> 00:14:15,310 people think of it I looked at that 314 00:14:19,470 --> 00:14:17,190 black hole is huge look how giant it is 315 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:19,480 actually it's not that the black hole is 316 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:22,630 huge it's the area or the extent of its 317 00:14:26,670 --> 00:14:24,190 influence that's big the black hole 318 00:14:30,180 --> 00:14:26,680 itself is what they call a singularity 319 00:14:31,410 --> 00:14:30,190 it's just this tiny dot in them in the 320 00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:31,420 center of it if you want to think of it 321 00:14:35,940 --> 00:14:33,940 that way and it's just swallowing stuff 322 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:35,950 up and everything is inside that little 323 00:14:41,250 --> 00:14:38,860 dot but the stronger it is the greater 324 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:41,260 its area of influence the greater the 325 00:14:45,810 --> 00:14:44,050 area of Darkness around it and the edge 326 00:14:47,790 --> 00:14:45,820 of that area is of course you've heard 327 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:47,800 people throw around the term the event 328 00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:49,810 horizon which is basically sort of that 329 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:52,840 border where at once you reach that that 330 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:55,330 edge light can't escape anymore you'd 331 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:56,500 have to be traveling faster than the 332 00:15:00,330 --> 00:14:57,970 speed of light to escape so if you cross 333 00:15:02,370 --> 00:15:00,340 that edge you're in and you're not going 334 00:15:04,740 --> 00:15:02,380 to come out and that's why it appears 335 00:15:06,690 --> 00:15:04,750 black so you've got this giant black 336 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:06,700 sphere but that's really not the black 337 00:15:10,530 --> 00:15:08,710 hole itself a black holes itself itself 338 00:15:12,510 --> 00:15:10,540 is just the point in the center the 339 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:12,520 singularity and that's just the area 340 00:15:17,190 --> 00:15:14,530 that surrounds it do you think there no 341 00:15:20,490 --> 00:15:17,200 but does that make them oh yeah do you 342 00:15:24,630 --> 00:15:20,500 think that galaxies are basically formed 343 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:24,640 by a black hole in the center I mean it 344 00:15:29,620 --> 00:15:27,250 seems like they know I'd be a lot of 345 00:15:31,780 --> 00:15:29,630 them in the center of galaxies 346 00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:31,790 it's interesting but not all not all 347 00:15:36,189 --> 00:15:34,790 galaxies have black holes in them so it 348 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:36,199 sort of begs the question and then 349 00:15:40,930 --> 00:15:38,769 there's also this whole question of 350 00:15:44,139 --> 00:15:40,940 structures that are complex which is 351 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:44,149 versus those that are not and so in some 352 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:46,690 cases things appear to be backwards so 353 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:50,870 galactic physics is sort of at a not 354 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:52,310 really at a Nexus it's actually at a 355 00:15:56,259 --> 00:15:54,889 really exciting place because of there's 356 00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:56,269 a lot of things being discovered and 357 00:16:03,189 --> 00:15:58,399 really don't know what core what forms 358 00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:03,199 you know the crux or the the process 359 00:16:07,329 --> 00:16:05,240 that forms galactic you know galactic 360 00:16:09,069 --> 00:16:07,339 formation would draw inside the work 361 00:16:10,689 --> 00:16:09,079 drives galactic formation is a better 362 00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:10,699 way of putting it so it could be black 363 00:16:15,939 --> 00:16:13,190 holes but I think it's probably a mix I 364 00:16:17,740 --> 00:16:15,949 think nature is usually messy and it's 365 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:17,750 not usually just one process but a 366 00:16:21,370 --> 00:16:19,190 combination of things and so I think 367 00:16:23,949 --> 00:16:21,380 we'll find that black holes are a part 368 00:16:25,569 --> 00:16:23,959 of a mix and then something else that's 369 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:25,579 probably new and exciting that has yet 370 00:16:30,129 --> 00:16:27,889 to be discovered will be part of the the 371 00:16:32,829 --> 00:16:30,139 rest of the answers when you worked at 372 00:16:35,610 --> 00:16:32,839 NASA and you know spoke with your 373 00:16:38,340 --> 00:16:35,620 colleagues what was the general 374 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:38,350 consensus about the possibility of 375 00:16:45,569 --> 00:16:42,040 intelligent life on on other planets and 376 00:16:51,009 --> 00:16:45,579 somewhere in the galaxies out there 377 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:51,019 there they're all focused on what I like 378 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:52,850 to call bugs but it's basically just 379 00:16:56,980 --> 00:16:55,459 germs and this is I think the the 380 00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:56,990 problem what they don't understand is 381 00:17:01,499 --> 00:16:59,360 that they're waiting for like you know 382 00:17:04,270 --> 00:17:01,509 the fact that they can finally confirm 383 00:17:08,350 --> 00:17:04,280 that all we found you know definite 384 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:08,360 proof that's you know we've got now 385 00:17:14,049 --> 00:17:11,569 biological activity there is algae of 386 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:14,059 some kind exotic algae on Mars uh-huh 387 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:16,250 you can just you can just hear the 388 00:17:20,110 --> 00:17:18,650 public yawn mm-hmm you know what I'm 389 00:17:22,990 --> 00:17:20,120 saying it's just it'll it'll be 390 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:23,000 deafening silence it'll be one one day 391 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:24,890 of news and then everybody will move on 392 00:17:29,620 --> 00:17:27,890 and not care I they're so focused on 393 00:17:31,330 --> 00:17:29,630 that that except for maybe the study 394 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,340 people I don't think they realize that 395 00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:32,960 the people who are yearning for 396 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:35,720 something more and the consensus 397 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:37,760 generally is that there is life out 398 00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,650 there but a lot of these people just 399 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:41,360 think that their distances are too great 400 00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:43,190 and why is there some 401 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:45,020 silence the radio telescopes are turned 402 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:47,270 outward and we don't hear anything but 403 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:48,650 there's a lot of things that could be 404 00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:50,600 driving those kind of thing those kind 405 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:52,070 of things and one of them is the fact 406 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:53,870 that we think that is sort of that 407 00:17:57,580 --> 00:17:55,850 centrism you know that we have you know 408 00:17:59,200 --> 00:17:57,590 the earth is the center of the universe 409 00:18:00,910 --> 00:17:59,210 and the solar system or the Sun is the 410 00:18:02,650 --> 00:18:00,920 center of the universe now we think that 411 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:02,660 you know things are centered around you 412 00:18:06,790 --> 00:18:04,370 know us adjust in general or that 413 00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:06,800 everybody uses radio waves and yeah who 414 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:08,180 knows other civilizations may be 415 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:10,010 communicating it's completely completely 416 00:18:14,140 --> 00:18:12,290 unknown way so he may be listening but 417 00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:14,150 we may be listening to dead air space 418 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:15,440 because that's not where everybody's 419 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:18,530 broadcasting yeah I've actually had Seth 420 00:18:22,780 --> 00:18:20,570 the Shah stack from SETI on this show 421 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:22,790 and by the way he's coming up sometime 422 00:18:28,450 --> 00:18:25,280 in October again and you know one of the 423 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:28,460 things I I said to him was exciting yeah 424 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:31,910 but we were in a debate on UFOs uh for 425 00:18:36,910 --> 00:18:33,950 the first time I don't know where we're 426 00:18:41,050 --> 00:18:36,920 gonna go this time but I did say to him 427 00:18:43,180 --> 00:18:41,060 something along the lines of why radio 428 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:43,190 waves I mean what you just said there 429 00:18:46,660 --> 00:18:44,990 I'm gonna go there they may be 430 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:46,670 communicating in ways that we have not 431 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:50,330 thought of or whatever and then he said 432 00:18:53,740 --> 00:18:52,310 well it's better than basically he said 433 00:18:55,570 --> 00:18:53,750 it's better than doing nothing or 434 00:18:59,860 --> 00:18:55,580 looking for nothing I can't really 435 00:19:03,820 --> 00:18:59,870 disagree with that but III think that 436 00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:03,830 what is gonna happen is I really think 437 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:05,780 that for instance when the James Webb 438 00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:08,090 telescope gets out there perhaps we're 439 00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:09,860 gonna get better and better technology 440 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:12,440 that even will have even better 441 00:19:17,020 --> 00:19:14,510 technologies and what said he can do in 442 00:19:18,220 --> 00:19:17,030 the future I don't know as far as 443 00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,230 actually connecting what are your 444 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:21,440 thoughts basically on that well you 445 00:19:26,980 --> 00:19:24,050 should pose a question to Seth he did an 446 00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:26,990 interview for NBC a while ago where he 447 00:19:31,540 --> 00:19:29,540 was quoted as the minute somebody tells 448 00:19:33,790 --> 00:19:31,550 me and I'm paraphrasing generally 449 00:19:37,090 --> 00:19:33,800 speaking that when it comes to your foes 450 00:19:38,980 --> 00:19:37,100 that I know what I saw that he therefore 451 00:19:40,690 --> 00:19:38,990 knows that it's total BS and then he 452 00:19:42,550 --> 00:19:40,700 shuts down he knows that well that's it 453 00:19:45,820 --> 00:19:42,560 you know there's no such thing as UFOs 454 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:45,830 or aliens and everything and he and the 455 00:19:51,850 --> 00:19:48,110 interview is just very much a shutdown 456 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,860 kind of event so and I think that's very 457 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:54,320 unfortunate you know and I don't know 458 00:19:56,659 --> 00:19:55,760 what drove him to say that and you might 459 00:19:59,320 --> 00:19:56,669 ask him that 460 00:20:02,090 --> 00:19:59,330 yeah yeah why did I remember asking him 461 00:20:04,460 --> 00:20:02,100 something along the lines like if all of 462 00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:04,470 a sudden we found out that UFOs were 463 00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:06,539 actually intelligence from another 464 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:08,759 planet on our planet itself 465 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:13,289 how would your funding go I would I 466 00:20:17,389 --> 00:20:14,730 think I'm gonna probably bring that up 467 00:20:19,580 --> 00:20:17,399 again cuz I can you read my mind yeah 468 00:20:22,460 --> 00:20:19,590 so yeah that it's a threat you know and 469 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:22,470 you can almost see through part of what 470 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:24,809 he does is that is kind of a threat for 471 00:20:30,109 --> 00:20:28,169 you know his well-being is but anyway I 472 00:20:32,509 --> 00:20:30,119 guess it's better than them doing 473 00:20:35,299 --> 00:20:32,519 nothing you know I have to agree with 474 00:20:38,029 --> 00:20:35,309 him about that at least you know someone 475 00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:38,039 has an interest and they're looking but 476 00:20:43,099 --> 00:20:41,340 you know it is when I brought up you 477 00:20:46,129 --> 00:20:43,109 know the fact that you know maybe they 478 00:20:48,139 --> 00:20:46,139 have some type of technology that we've 479 00:20:52,609 --> 00:20:48,149 never thought of and can travel you know 480 00:20:54,409 --> 00:20:52,619 traverse the space that's so vast you 481 00:20:56,659 --> 00:20:54,419 know I still believe if if that's 482 00:20:59,629 --> 00:20:56,669 actually what is showing up here that 483 00:21:03,080 --> 00:20:59,639 that is a possibility I can't say for 484 00:21:04,820 --> 00:21:03,090 sure yeah you know yeah look at look at 485 00:21:06,409 --> 00:21:04,830 neutrinos or that you know they go 486 00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,419 through everything whatever would what 487 00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,919 if you had a neutrino transmission 488 00:21:11,749 --> 00:21:09,600 system you know I'm just throwing 489 00:21:14,479 --> 00:21:11,759 something wild out there but the idea is 490 00:21:16,099 --> 00:21:14,489 to think out of the box and I agreed 491 00:21:18,619 --> 00:21:16,109 that maybe that equity says as far as 492 00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:18,629 it's better than than doing nothing but 493 00:21:22,009 --> 00:21:20,039 I also think the study should be more 494 00:21:23,659 --> 00:21:22,019 transparent I know that they hit on 495 00:21:25,789 --> 00:21:23,669 radio signals sometimes and all that 496 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:25,799 they're not quick to divulge the 497 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:27,960 locations of the stars where they think 498 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:29,850 that they might have heard something um 499 00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:32,100 I think that they really need to work on 500 00:21:35,389 --> 00:21:33,840 their transparency the first thing they 501 00:21:36,619 --> 00:21:35,399 do is when they if they think they hear 502 00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:36,629 something they should throw that out to 503 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,190 the whole astronomical community and the 504 00:21:42,379 --> 00:21:40,320 public at large let everybody listen in 505 00:21:44,810 --> 00:21:42,389 let's see what there is to hear you know 506 00:21:48,349 --> 00:21:44,820 I thought that's what I thought he said 507 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:48,359 they did something like that but that's 508 00:21:54,019 --> 00:21:52,320 not so as far as you know no not not 509 00:21:56,989 --> 00:21:54,029 completely no I know that they have 510 00:21:58,879 --> 00:21:56,999 projects where they have people listen 511 00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,889 to you know files and every that they've 512 00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:01,679 archived to listen for things just like 513 00:22:05,509 --> 00:22:03,059 they have also where they have things 514 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:05,519 people look at you know files for 515 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:07,820 imagery also where they have these 516 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,090 internet you know group 517 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:12,640 you know I'm not familiar with the term 518 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:13,809 but you know what I'm talking about 519 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:16,210 where they sort of have the public 520 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:17,770 participate as sort of a public 521 00:22:21,870 --> 00:22:20,110 astronomers public scientists and 522 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:21,880 everything and take part in and going 523 00:22:25,769 --> 00:22:24,490 through data so that's one thing but 524 00:22:27,090 --> 00:22:25,779 actually but when they've got 525 00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:27,100 cutting-edge stuff and they actually 526 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:30,460 pick up a signal why not you know tell 527 00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:32,710 people about it instead of oh we have to 528 00:22:36,990 --> 00:22:35,200 vet it we have to this let people take a 529 00:22:40,409 --> 00:22:37,000 look you know let people here let people 530 00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:40,419 see what it is you know mm-hmm and you 531 00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,390 know you've probably heard you know you 532 00:22:48,029 --> 00:22:45,039 just talked about a big yawn if they 533 00:22:51,139 --> 00:22:48,039 find you know like a bacteria on Mars or 534 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:51,149 something like that which I agree it is 535 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:55,120 the news that's the EXO germ yes 536 00:22:59,580 --> 00:22:57,220 the way news is so ephemeral today 537 00:23:01,500 --> 00:22:59,590 anyway you know big stories happen and 538 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,510 you know they're they're gone so quickly 539 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,000 I do agree with you I think however if 540 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:05,440 they found intelligent life would be 541 00:23:12,779 --> 00:23:10,330 different but we all grew up hearing 542 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:12,789 that you know the world would crash and 543 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:15,370 religions would crumble and all that if 544 00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,289 I don't think that's gonna happen 545 00:23:21,570 --> 00:23:19,120 anymore I think people are more adjusted 546 00:23:24,450 --> 00:23:21,580 today than they have been 547 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:24,460 you know previously to the fact that we 548 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:27,970 might find something I kind agree with 549 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:29,830 you but at the same time I've had a 550 00:23:34,019 --> 00:23:31,750 couple of really since since I've had my 551 00:23:36,409 --> 00:23:34,029 sighting kind of eye-opening events just 552 00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,419 even within my family if I can share 553 00:23:40,889 --> 00:23:39,520 because I was sort of the same I have 554 00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:40,899 the same feeling as you do that I think 555 00:23:44,250 --> 00:23:42,520 generally speaking I think that's true 556 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:44,260 for the general public I think they're 557 00:23:48,389 --> 00:23:46,270 they hunger for this they agree they 558 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:48,399 know that there is something out there 559 00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:51,700 and that you know they want to know and 560 00:23:56,490 --> 00:23:53,860 they don't want to know what it is but 561 00:23:58,799 --> 00:23:56,500 there's a small group that you would be 562 00:24:00,360 --> 00:23:58,809 surprised and so this example I'm going 563 00:24:05,549 --> 00:24:00,370 to give I'm not going to say who and my 564 00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:05,559 family but it is a spouse of somebody in 565 00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,520 my family a gentleman a man who a grown 566 00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:11,919 man adult man who you'd think oh this 567 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:13,720 would you know would be the same way 568 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:15,730 just what we're discussing so here's an 569 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:19,750 adult person and I show this person my 570 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:21,250 sighting and some of the things that I 571 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:23,049 found and 572 00:24:28,019 --> 00:24:24,850 you've nah I literally witnessed his 573 00:24:30,779 --> 00:24:28,029 first time meltdown and shake in anger 574 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:30,789 and guac outside fists clenched and 575 00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:33,450 literally have a mental breakdown to err 576 00:24:39,149 --> 00:24:36,940 someone in my family who is his wife had 577 00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:39,159 to calm him down and this became a non 578 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:41,590 subject with which we could never bring 579 00:24:46,979 --> 00:24:43,570 up around this person ever again because 580 00:24:49,499 --> 00:24:46,989 he's ready to melt down Wow that which I 581 00:24:52,499 --> 00:24:49,509 was just like floored that is really 582 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:52,509 amazing so we are and then the minute 583 00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,850 that I show I showed him that look 584 00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:57,039 visual I don't believe it I'm like okay 585 00:25:00,570 --> 00:24:58,840 what this person was with me when this 586 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:00,580 happened I have a picture when we were 587 00:25:04,289 --> 00:25:02,289 this and this when this happened we saw 588 00:25:06,479 --> 00:25:04,299 this look at this photograph so it's not 589 00:25:07,889 --> 00:25:06,489 a lies it's all lies it's all I will 590 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:07,899 believe a word of it and just like 591 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:10,210 shaking and shaking and red and veins 592 00:25:14,249 --> 00:25:11,710 are coming out and he just walks outside 593 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,259 and he just like oh my god this person 594 00:25:18,749 --> 00:25:16,480 we're gonna have to call 911 if I don't 595 00:25:19,379 --> 00:25:18,759 back off no and I'm not I'm not even 596 00:25:22,019 --> 00:25:19,389 doing anything 597 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:22,029 this is that amazing most people don't 598 00:25:28,289 --> 00:25:26,169 have that reaction so but yeah yeah but 599 00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:28,299 there are some people reaction it was 600 00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:29,590 just amazing yeah there's some people 601 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:32,169 that certainly will all right so we are 602 00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:33,609 going to head into break right now 603 00:25:44,869 --> 00:25:36,070 so hanging everyone we'll be right back 604 00:25:44,879 --> 00:25:48,560 race you there 605 00:25:58,529 --> 00:25:53,759 I'd feel here - yeah this happened last 606 00:26:01,139 --> 00:25:58,539 week race I had my mute button on man 607 00:26:03,859 --> 00:26:01,149 you're clear we've got three minutes in 608 00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,869 this break right two and a half now okay 609 00:26:07,889 --> 00:26:05,679 that's pretty funny 610 00:26:10,379 --> 00:26:07,899 all right so we'll get back to that 611 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:10,389 we're going to talk about this relative 612 00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:13,710 that went went nuts when we get back but 613 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:16,419 so you said you're near their jet 614 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:20,320 proposed some potion lab and so you live 615 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:23,710 in Southern California and yeah that's 616 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:27,730 correct yeah so what's it what's it like 617 00:26:31,409 --> 00:26:30,070 for sighting since you've had your 618 00:26:33,299 --> 00:26:31,419 sighting look I don't want to talk about 619 00:26:34,139 --> 00:26:33,309 that net right now but when we go back 620 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:34,149 on 621 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:36,369 of the fire I'll talk about that but 622 00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:38,769 have you since you had your sighting 623 00:26:43,589 --> 00:26:40,859 have you paid attention and researched 624 00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:43,599 about the sightings because California 625 00:26:50,009 --> 00:26:47,919 is a real big sighting state I you know 626 00:26:52,919 --> 00:26:50,019 what I've there I know very little about 627 00:26:54,809 --> 00:26:52,929 other sightings but except for and 628 00:26:57,929 --> 00:26:54,819 actually this is a good good discussion 629 00:26:59,729 --> 00:26:57,939 when we come back and live is that I'm 630 00:27:02,039 --> 00:26:59,739 so immersed in what's going on with me 631 00:27:03,689 --> 00:27:02,049 but I now through my Facebook and 632 00:27:06,329 --> 00:27:03,699 Twitter and getting streams of people 633 00:27:08,639 --> 00:27:06,339 who are now seeing validating what I see 634 00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:08,649 seeing the same thing all along these 635 00:27:13,949 --> 00:27:11,169 these mountain sides here so this is 636 00:27:16,919 --> 00:27:13,959 something we should discuss something is 637 00:27:18,509 --> 00:27:16,929 definitely going on and and my Facebook 638 00:27:20,609 --> 00:27:18,519 and Twitter just get overloaded with 639 00:27:22,739 --> 00:27:20,619 with people who are terrified to speak 640 00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,749 up but are willing to talk to me but 641 00:27:26,579 --> 00:27:24,399 only privately through private messaging 642 00:27:30,749 --> 00:27:26,589 huh Wow 643 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:30,759 so when is the actual general area is it 644 00:27:35,819 --> 00:27:32,829 is it Orange County in that area I'm not 645 00:27:38,339 --> 00:27:35,829 really sure where the lab is no not at 646 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:38,349 all actually past Pasadena area oh yeah 647 00:27:44,369 --> 00:27:41,529 so JP JPL is in the Pasadena in the 648 00:27:46,409 --> 00:27:44,379 upper Pasadena area and I'm just east of 649 00:27:48,899 --> 00:27:46,419 that along along the San Gabriel 650 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:48,909 Mountains and nestled along them under 651 00:27:52,589 --> 00:27:50,289 the mat of the mountains literally in 652 00:27:53,609 --> 00:27:52,599 the foothills yeah yeah yeah it's 653 00:27:55,379 --> 00:27:53,619 beautiful around there 654 00:27:58,049 --> 00:27:55,389 I've spend a bit of time out there a 655 00:28:01,349 --> 00:27:58,059 very yeah yeah and it has it have you 656 00:28:04,229 --> 00:28:01,359 been there all your life yeah most of my 657 00:28:05,819 --> 00:28:04,239 life I grew up here I am a New York 658 00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:05,829 transplant and everything but then my 659 00:28:09,899 --> 00:28:07,779 parents did the I Love Lucy thing of 660 00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:09,909 driving across country when when I was 661 00:28:14,699 --> 00:28:12,669 like 3 or 4 years old and that was it 662 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:14,709 Wow I think we're going back on now and 663 00:28:19,849 --> 00:28:17,139 I've been here ever since in one minute 664 00:28:22,349 --> 00:28:19,859 okay oh one minute okay very good I just 665 00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:22,359 I went ahead and added another one 666 00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:26,559 because of my flub okay no problem all 667 00:28:30,029 --> 00:28:26,799 right 668 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:30,039 so yep I think Cal both but basically 669 00:28:34,889 --> 00:28:32,049 California is the most populated state 670 00:28:37,819 --> 00:28:34,899 in the United States and there's a 671 00:28:40,979 --> 00:28:37,829 couple of reasons why it's number one in 672 00:28:43,499 --> 00:28:40,989 the category of UFO sightings in general 673 00:28:45,929 --> 00:28:43,509 and one of them is the fine weather 674 00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:45,939 that's you know there's a lot of really 675 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:48,160 nice weather out there and secondly 676 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:50,890 you know is the population so you have 677 00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:52,809 those two things combined but you have 678 00:28:58,049 --> 00:28:55,720 some really interesting areas Catalina 679 00:29:00,360 --> 00:28:58,059 Island out that way there's a lot of 680 00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:00,370 sightings in you go all the way Shasta 681 00:29:06,090 --> 00:29:01,960 Mountain in Northern California those 682 00:29:07,890 --> 00:29:06,100 sightings up that way yeah this there's 683 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:07,900 a lot going on in the state in general 684 00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:10,660 and I think we're just about ready to go 685 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:13,150 back right race yep got about eight 686 00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:20,490 seconds all right we're ready here okay 687 00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:26,350 here we are okay we've got the bumper 688 00:29:35,419 --> 00:29:29,470 rolling now and we're ready to go okay 689 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:35,429 here we go in five four three two all 690 00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:38,650 right welcome back my guest tonight is 691 00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:41,350 Mary Ann Rudnick and we were talking 692 00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,200 just before the break about a relative 693 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:46,480 of his that just went basically went off 694 00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:49,690 the rails when when he was talking about 695 00:29:54,330 --> 00:29:51,640 his UFO sighting 696 00:29:56,220 --> 00:29:54,340 why do you did you talk to your other 697 00:29:59,610 --> 00:29:56,230 relatives and try to figure out why he 698 00:30:04,289 --> 00:29:59,620 went so went so crazy about that 699 00:30:06,299 --> 00:30:04,299 situation um he there's simply every 700 00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:06,309 everybody doesn't want to touch the 701 00:30:10,169 --> 00:30:08,500 issue as far as now as far as dealing 702 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:10,179 with him because they don't want him to 703 00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,110 be disturbed anymore and so the relative 704 00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:17,440 that's of mine that's married to him she 705 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:20,590 asked that we all sort of respect that 706 00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:22,539 you know kind of like uh I don't know 707 00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:24,580 put up sort of a wall around him and not 708 00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:26,440 that breached that subject around him at 709 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:26,799 all 710 00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,049 divorce on her hands that's that's how 711 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:34,000 violently he reacted wow that's pretty 712 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:36,460 amazing no I mean I mean violently in a 713 00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:37,809 sense because he was literally shaking 714 00:30:41,549 --> 00:30:38,559 and he has it 715 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:41,559 it's disc wench isn't that something 716 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:42,850 I've no I don't think I've ever heard of 717 00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:46,480 a reaction like that I've heard people 718 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:50,320 laugh I've I've seen where people will 719 00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:53,140 just you know brush it off and think 720 00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:55,000 it's silly and you know think it's a big 721 00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:56,169 joke and stuff like that but I've never 722 00:31:03,140 --> 00:30:59,880 seen anyone get upset about it and 723 00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:03,150 makes me wonder is and this may have 724 00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:05,070 nothing to do with anything but is he a 725 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:10,980 very really religious person he isn't he 726 00:31:18,890 --> 00:31:15,090 is a Mormon mm-hmm so um and I know that 727 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:18,900 um that I guess you could almost say 728 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:20,730 that Mormonism is sort of almost a 729 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:22,890 space-based religion right now because 730 00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,410 of a you know the whole Daryl history of 731 00:31:29,299 --> 00:31:27,539 John Smith and and everything that 732 00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,309 happened but I don't know what his 733 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:31,020 thoughts are about his religion and I 734 00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:33,450 don't know how much the religion plays a 735 00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:36,750 part of his reaction so I'm just gonna 736 00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:38,940 leave it sort of stand as is I don't 737 00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:41,880 know and I I have no way of now at this 738 00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,350 point everything of finding out since 739 00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:45,440 has become sort of a non subject and I 740 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:49,799 am sure she that his wife has talked to 741 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:51,450 him at some point but I don't know even 742 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:53,370 how much that because he just was she 743 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:55,890 just shut down this is like the last 744 00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,570 time I saw him it was this nothing 745 00:32:01,820 --> 00:31:59,640 happened and this is simply not to be 746 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:01,830 spoken about right that's already weird 747 00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:02,490 Wow 748 00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:04,980 yeah all right so let's uh let's talk 749 00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:08,460 about your your where you were working 750 00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,270 and what you involved in I know that you 751 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:14,240 had a car you wanted to get a picture of 752 00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:17,250 and somewhere in downtown LA or 753 00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:21,299 somewhere right after New Year's New 754 00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,100 Year's Eve I think yeah actually yeah 755 00:32:26,899 --> 00:32:25,440 not downtown Oh it's actually everything 756 00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:26,909 is sort of centered in downtown 757 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,950 beautiful Monrovia okay 758 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:31,200 Monrovia California which is close by 759 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:32,970 here in a Pasadena area like we were 760 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:35,700 talking about during the break not far 761 00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:38,100 from JPL so this is all sort of like a 762 00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,110 space hub all of this is where all the 763 00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:42,000 aerospace industry was was focused 764 00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:43,940 during the heyday during Apollo and and 765 00:32:47,899 --> 00:32:46,500 even during the the Viking and Voyager 766 00:32:50,029 --> 00:32:47,909 missions and all that this is where all 767 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,039 the action was and all the companies 768 00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:52,799 were here but then Monrovia had its own 769 00:33:00,500 --> 00:32:58,110 contributions but the medina is a sort 770 00:33:01,970 --> 00:33:00,510 of like a retro 50 style version of a 771 00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,980 McDonald's they were a bunch of them 772 00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:03,360 across the country and this was sort of 773 00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,100 the last one standing and they they play 774 00:33:09,730 --> 00:33:07,559 like retro 50s 60s music and and all 775 00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:09,740 that kind of stuff so it's in Monrovia 776 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:12,840 which so it's in within eyesight of the 777 00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:13,710 foothills that are 778 00:33:19,010 --> 00:33:15,740 year where a lot of stuff is happening 779 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:19,020 and you're asking about what what 780 00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,370 happened it was actually it was New 781 00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:23,279 Year's new year it was New Year's sort 782 00:33:28,419 --> 00:33:24,929 of different here in California in the 783 00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:28,429 sense that when New Year's happens on 784 00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:32,159 New Year's Day it's on a Sunday we 785 00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:34,200 normally we have on New Year's Day we 786 00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:36,179 have the Rose Bowl the Rose Parade in 787 00:33:40,010 --> 00:33:37,350 the morning in the Rose Bowl in the 788 00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:40,020 afternoon the games but it was sort of a 789 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:44,100 unique why lineup of events on the day 790 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:45,480 of my sighting because what happened was 791 00:33:49,639 --> 00:33:47,730 none of that happened on that day on 792 00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:49,649 January 1st and said it was all bumped 793 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:52,500 to Monday January 2nd it's um 794 00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,390 I don't know some sort of unwritten rule 795 00:33:58,940 --> 00:33:57,120 that they have here that the Rose or the 796 00:34:02,330 --> 00:33:58,950 Tournament of Roses Association and in 797 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:02,340 Los Angeles area in general that if if 798 00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:05,130 New Year's happens if the first is on a 799 00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:07,080 Sunday then everybody everything gets 800 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:09,060 bunched you know bumped over to the 801 00:34:14,359 --> 00:34:11,550 second on a Monday so the first was very 802 00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,369 dead it was cold cloudy it even raining 803 00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:17,119 during New Year's Eve on the 31st and 804 00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:19,710 when the first rolled around it was just 805 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:23,369 dead nothing was going on and so my mom 806 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:25,700 and I decided is just sort of you know 807 00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:28,260 exit the cabin fever oh let's just go to 808 00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:30,540 the Medina and everything and we're down 809 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:32,220 there and as far as you mentioned the 810 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:35,310 car yeah I like I have them vintage cars 811 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:38,490 from the 60s and I like taking pictures 812 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:40,530 of them in front of like cool locations 813 00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,089 that are sort of retro to sort of 814 00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:44,639 reflect them so I brought my convertible 815 00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:47,639 my 67 Catalina convertible with me and 816 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:49,560 you know I have a camera that I got as a 817 00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:52,260 gift that I just learned how to use a 818 00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:54,419 nice digital camera I'll take it with 819 00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:57,180 big ticket for a test spin the camera in 820 00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,640 the car and you know grab my mom we went 821 00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:02,640 down there and had a late lunch and took 822 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:05,630 some pictures of the car in front of the 823 00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:07,130 diner 824 00:35:14,349 --> 00:35:09,710 I even included those in my book ticket 825 00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:14,359 book he complete and sat down to eat and 826 00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:17,980 then everything changed 827 00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:23,599 so yeah walk us through it so basically 828 00:35:31,539 --> 00:35:27,440 as we were as we were eating I noticed 829 00:35:34,049 --> 00:35:31,549 it was it was overcast and cold and I 830 00:35:38,289 --> 00:35:34,059 saw full object drop out of the sky and 831 00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,299 if you look at the the diner you it's 832 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:39,920 like from the inside it's like an 833 00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:42,049 aquarium and it's just it's just windows 834 00:35:45,099 --> 00:35:43,849 all the way around you know I'm even 835 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:45,109 from the outside you can see there's 836 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:46,730 just windows you have a really good 837 00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:47,450 panorama 838 00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:51,500 of it so of everything around you so 839 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:53,240 when I saw these things drop at first I 840 00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,609 thought you know it's probably just some 841 00:36:00,700 --> 00:35:58,640 you know aircraft for the parade or for 842 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:00,710 the Rose Rose Bowl that's gonna be 843 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:01,970 happening or whatever them I wait a 844 00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:03,890 minute everything's dead nothing's going 845 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:05,990 on right now and as a matter of fact 846 00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:07,130 when you look at the pictures that I 847 00:36:10,029 --> 00:36:08,240 have in the book the pictures I took 848 00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:10,039 again see my cars look the only car 849 00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:12,200 there the restaurant was just empty we 850 00:36:15,999 --> 00:36:13,670 were the only ones there eating and 851 00:36:17,769 --> 00:36:16,009 there's just us and the workers so I 852 00:36:19,269 --> 00:36:17,779 told my mom ago I don't get it I know 853 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:19,279 what that is I go I'm gonna go outside 854 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:21,710 and take a look and see what what what 855 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:24,410 that is so I went outside in the 856 00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:27,910 northwest corner of the building and 857 00:36:34,450 --> 00:36:32,240 looked up and I just saw four disks in a 858 00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:34,460 diamond formation and then I saw a 859 00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,200 diamond formation break apart because 860 00:36:40,749 --> 00:36:38,480 one of the disks are dropping lower and 861 00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:40,759 at first I was just sort of you know you 862 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:42,380 have that whole thing of like where you 863 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:44,390 don't believe what you're seeing you're 864 00:36:50,829 --> 00:36:47,049 seeing so you're sort of mesmerised and 865 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:50,839 so as I watched them you know move 866 00:36:57,009 --> 00:36:54,650 across and that one disc was struggling 867 00:36:59,470 --> 00:36:57,019 then all of a sudden I realized a camera 868 00:37:01,089 --> 00:36:59,480 with me what am i doing you know so I'm 869 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:01,099 like okay it's gonna go into science 870 00:37:04,539 --> 00:37:03,170 mode I don't know what I'm looking at I 871 00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:04,549 can't believe that I'm seeing what I'm 872 00:37:06,609 --> 00:37:05,000 seeing 873 00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:06,619 you know and then you sort of go through 874 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:09,049 this whole disbelief phase almost 875 00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:10,970 instantaneously been like okay I've got 876 00:37:15,009 --> 00:37:13,369 a camera I'm going to shoot pictures and 877 00:37:17,859 --> 00:37:15,019 so I took a picture that I'm like and 878 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:17,869 they were getting closer and I thought I 879 00:37:23,170 --> 00:37:20,570 got video I'm gonna try and shoot 880 00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:23,180 so I put the camera to video mode and 881 00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:25,310 started shooting video but the minute I 882 00:37:29,410 --> 00:37:27,590 put into video mode at this point the 883 00:37:31,570 --> 00:37:29,420 objects were at their closest and that 884 00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:31,580 may it be what was happening I don't 885 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:33,950 know what was influencing the camera but 886 00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,890 the camera has focus lock squares and 887 00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,680 like fo5 focus lost squares appeared and 888 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:40,880 he just started dancing across the 889 00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:42,290 screen so I couldn't even see what I was 890 00:37:46,990 --> 00:37:44,300 filming like what is going on with his 891 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:47,000 camera so for just over 30 seconds I let 892 00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:48,850 the video roll and I tried to zoom in 893 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:50,990 but I couldn't tell what I was getting 894 00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,490 anything or not so I'm like okay this is 895 00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:54,560 you know they're gonna be gone and I 896 00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,670 don't even know if I'm if this is 897 00:38:00,220 --> 00:37:58,160 actually even getting anything really so 898 00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:00,230 foot back into camera mode and then I 899 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:02,510 shot three more pictures and then I 900 00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:04,490 thought gotta get somebody out here to 901 00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:06,140 take a look so I turned around for a 902 00:38:10,090 --> 00:38:08,660 second to see you know check on my mom 903 00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:10,100 and see if there's any like an employee 904 00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:12,680 that maybe was wandering through because 905 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:14,420 the door is glass that maybe I could 906 00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:15,710 pull somebody out to take a quick look 907 00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:17,840 so I looked and I didn't see anybody so 908 00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:19,900 quick quickly look back they're gone 909 00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:24,710 they're just gone and you know I I mean 910 00:38:28,990 --> 00:38:27,380 they must have moved really fast but the 911 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:29,000 thing about it is that as they had been 912 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:31,970 moving they had dropped out of the sky 913 00:38:37,570 --> 00:38:33,530 in a diamond formation that formation 914 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:37,580 had broken apart it's almost like they I 915 00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:38,810 don't know it's kind of like you think 916 00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:41,150 of them you see a herd of animals and 917 00:38:44,380 --> 00:38:42,710 there's a wounded one and the other ones 918 00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:44,390 are sort of crawling around it you can 919 00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,430 tell which one is hurt that's kind of 920 00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:48,800 the impression that you got with this 921 00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:50,900 and then they sort of regained their 922 00:38:55,390 --> 00:38:53,150 diamond formation and that's the point 923 00:38:57,850 --> 00:38:55,400 where I turn around and when I can when 924 00:39:00,910 --> 00:38:57,860 I turn back around they were gone and I 925 00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,920 don't know whether they you know they 926 00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,440 were headed towards the mountains and I 927 00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:04,880 don't know whether they made it to the 928 00:39:08,110 --> 00:39:06,260 mountains whether the one the craft that 929 00:39:11,590 --> 00:39:08,120 was damaged there you can see I could 930 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:11,600 see splotches on the bottom and and in 931 00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,370 the pictures you can see that the they 932 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:15,200 had triangular panels underneath and 933 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:17,090 that there's some sort of discoloration 934 00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:20,690 in one area of the disc and the only 935 00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:23,150 thing I could think of was that since 936 00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:24,680 they came out of you know a heavy 937 00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:26,270 overcast maybe it had been hit by 938 00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:30,950 lightning you know I don't know wow 939 00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:33,230 so how long would you say this the 940 00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:39,260 sighting lasts in total probably two 941 00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:39,940 minutes or less 942 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:43,599 I've got like 34 seconds of video maybe 943 00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,089 than the picture that I shot before the 944 00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:49,520 video and then I stood there staring for 945 00:39:54,339 --> 00:39:52,040 I don't know what seemed like an 946 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:54,349 eternity but probably was maybe only 15 947 00:39:59,859 --> 00:39:57,650 20 seconds and then the remaining three 948 00:40:01,359 --> 00:39:59,869 pictures which are spaced about I don't 949 00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:01,369 know about maybe 10 seconds apart the 950 00:40:06,010 --> 00:40:03,380 camera camera was really slow I was 951 00:40:09,299 --> 00:40:06,020 unfamiliar with it like I said it was 952 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:09,309 been a gift so I really didn't you know 953 00:40:14,049 --> 00:40:12,020 trust fiddling with it trying to do the 954 00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,059 best I could and I lucked out because 955 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:16,640 the one picture that identified as 956 00:40:22,359 --> 00:40:19,010 picture 1680 just by the frame count of 957 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:22,369 the camera that picture wound up 958 00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,290 actually the focus was on and it 959 00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:26,000 actually had obviously locked onto the 960 00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:28,040 damaged craft the best and that was the 961 00:40:31,569 --> 00:40:30,200 one that that came out really really 962 00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:31,579 really good and as a matter of fact 963 00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:33,740 that's the funny thing about it is that 964 00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:35,390 you know when I went back inside because 965 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:38,150 the craft were gone and you know my mom 966 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:39,530 and I looked at the camera we looked at 967 00:40:44,319 --> 00:40:40,970 the footage as well you know I don't 968 00:40:46,089 --> 00:40:44,329 know you know so it had this kind of 969 00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,099 reaction of I don't know what I saw you 970 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:47,839 know I mean I didn't want to believe 971 00:40:53,530 --> 00:40:51,170 that I saw what I saw so believe it or 972 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:53,540 not we sort of sat we talked we finished 973 00:40:57,849 --> 00:40:55,970 eating our dessert and then we drove 974 00:40:59,950 --> 00:40:57,859 home and then I whipped out my laptop 975 00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,960 downloaded the images and I thought okay 976 00:41:03,849 --> 00:41:02,720 let's let's see what I saw and I clicked 977 00:41:06,819 --> 00:41:03,859 through the pictures and when I got to 978 00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:06,829 that image then I zoomed in and then as 979 00:41:11,859 --> 00:41:08,780 I zoomed in the detail just just 980 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:11,869 explored it out like oh so I mean it's 981 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:15,049 like I did see what I saw you know how 982 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:17,150 SEC oh my god this is incredible you 983 00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:18,290 know what am I gonna do you know 984 00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:20,030 astronomers not supposed to see this 985 00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:22,190 kind of stuff you know what that what 986 00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:24,710 the heck have I done you know so there's 987 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:26,420 kind of a strange reaction you know but 988 00:41:31,089 --> 00:41:28,970 that that's what went through my mind so 989 00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:31,099 can you describe what you what was in 990 00:41:36,549 --> 00:41:34,760 those images or actually first were you 991 00:41:41,289 --> 00:41:36,559 it to the naked eye could you actually 992 00:41:42,789 --> 00:41:41,299 see something shaped like crafty yes yes 993 00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:42,799 you could definitely make make them out 994 00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:43,849 you could definitely make out that 995 00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,540 aircraft 996 00:41:47,530 --> 00:41:46,160 definitely make out their disks this is 997 00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:47,540 what caught my eye I mean if I had gone 998 00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:50,300 outside and and I could see that they 999 00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:53,150 were drones or balloons or something 1000 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:54,200 like that it's like oh okay those are 1001 00:41:57,610 --> 00:41:55,610 drones or balloons I missed who cares 1002 00:41:58,990 --> 00:41:57,620 then go back inside and whatever you 1003 00:42:00,880 --> 00:41:59,000 know not gonna waste my time you know 1004 00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:00,890 taking pictures of anything else you 1005 00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:02,030 could tell that they were discs you 1006 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:03,590 could tell the way they were moving 1007 00:42:07,690 --> 00:42:05,930 there's the gusty winds the winds were 1008 00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:07,700 blowing perpendicular Travel of the 1009 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:11,390 craft so I knew that they're completely 1010 00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:15,050 unaffected by the wind at all and you 1011 00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:16,520 could hear that a matter of fact in the 1012 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:19,190 video the video didn't turn out very 1013 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:20,810 well they turned out to be just like 1014 00:42:24,610 --> 00:42:22,550 gray splotches 1015 00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:24,620 unfortunately that they move across and 1016 00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:27,080 they and they pulsate which is I think 1017 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:30,590 an effect of the dancing focus frames 1018 00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:32,660 that was there were you know that the 1019 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:34,940 camera had and it may have been the 1020 00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:36,770 craft that there were somehow affecting 1021 00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:38,420 the camera because I've tested the 1022 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:43,430 camera since and and never I could never 1023 00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:45,710 get it to replicate that effect I you 1024 00:42:49,330 --> 00:42:47,000 know shot against you know cloudy 1025 00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:49,340 backgrounds of aircraft of birds of 1026 00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:51,230 anything together and I could not get it 1027 00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:53,600 to do and replicate you know what it did 1028 00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:56,150 that day at all but yeah they were 1029 00:43:00,610 --> 00:42:56,840 silent 1030 00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:00,620 they moved for lack of a better way of 1031 00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:02,750 putting it intelligently you could tell 1032 00:43:07,390 --> 00:43:04,700 that they were that they were moving in 1033 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:07,400 a way like not randomly because you know 1034 00:43:11,470 --> 00:43:08,930 when balloons travel they sort of bounce 1035 00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:11,480 around they they get tossed by the wind 1036 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:13,190 you know if they're tethered to each 1037 00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:15,650 other they'll they'll pull and snap you 1038 00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:17,180 know and they all that and there's none 1039 00:43:22,420 --> 00:43:19,550 of that and in the video as poor as the 1040 00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:22,430 video is shows that they're clearly 1041 00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:25,070 moving in a purposeful you know linear 1042 00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:26,900 direction and everything and that 1043 00:43:31,330 --> 00:43:29,060 they're behaving intelligently and I 1044 00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:31,340 think that's what space command got out 1045 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:32,750 of it because when Space Command got 1046 00:43:37,810 --> 00:43:35,330 involved they made a really big stink 1047 00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:37,820 about wanting the video and but I think 1048 00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:40,220 it's a question of context because the 1049 00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,070 video by itself wouldn't hold up and the 1050 00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:45,680 pictures by themselves with semi hold up 1051 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,120 but I think together it's a game changer 1052 00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:51,680 and that's actually what the Space 1053 00:43:57,850 --> 00:43:55,070 Command person was was very adamant 1054 00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:57,860 about astronomers don't see these kind 1055 00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,410 of things 1056 00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:00,660 as this person said and they certainly 1057 00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:02,310 don't report them and you're not going 1058 00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,940 to report them this person told me and 1059 00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:07,680 they're rarely is footage of the same 1060 00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,230 sighting of both pictures and video and 1061 00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:12,420 we want everything you've got and mind 1062 00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,870 you I was on FaceTime so I turned the 1063 00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:17,940 phone around and walked them through my 1064 00:44:22,580 --> 00:44:19,980 sighting on my laptop so they saw 1065 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:22,590 everything right away so they knew what 1066 00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:24,890 they wanted so can you can you just 1067 00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:28,080 pause here for a second and tell me who 1068 00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:31,560 exactly were you speaking to and how did 1069 00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:35,060 how did the connection all come about 1070 00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,510 yeah it was um you know in hindsight I 1071 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:41,640 know the UFO community oh no no don't 1072 00:44:46,220 --> 00:44:43,290 see unfortunate it's fortunate because 1073 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:46,230 you know this all sort of exploded out 1074 00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:48,330 now we all know about it but there's a 1075 00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:50,040 part of me that says this is sort of an 1076 00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:52,680 unfortunate series of events because I 1077 00:44:59,600 --> 00:44:56,220 sort of got that dragged into all this 1078 00:45:01,760 --> 00:44:59,610 whole world this is not the path I chose 1079 00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:01,770 this is why I called the book intersect 1080 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:04,140 that you know this is sort of it's not a 1081 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:06,330 crossroads where you have a choice of 1082 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:08,520 you go left or you go right you know and 1083 00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:10,410 you have a fork in the road this is 1084 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:11,880 where something intersects your life and 1085 00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:13,290 you just get thrown into something and 1086 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:15,240 dragged in kicking and screaming whether 1087 00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:16,530 you want to or not and it's just a 1088 00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:18,030 matter of how you deal with it and how I 1089 00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:19,590 dealt with it for the first two years 1090 00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:21,750 was basically just just shut it shut 1091 00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,510 myself in and became withdrawn only now 1092 00:45:28,070 --> 00:45:26,160 that I've sort of and I'm an outgoing 1093 00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:28,080 person as you can tell it's only now 1094 00:45:31,340 --> 00:45:29,880 sort of been more vocal about everything 1095 00:45:33,580 --> 00:45:31,350 because they're just tired of being beat 1096 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:33,590 up by everything that's been going on 1097 00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:35,730 with this whole thing with the military 1098 00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:37,590 and everything and how it happened these 1099 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:39,300 events have sort of dragged me into it 1100 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:42,150 very was very happened very innocently 1101 00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:45,090 and went to dinner with a friend and I 1102 00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:47,400 had a print of that one close-up shot of 1103 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:49,950 the one disc and I just the friend was 1104 00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:52,170 also somebody at a background in geology 1105 00:45:58,070 --> 00:45:55,380 like me so they're a science person so I 1106 00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:58,080 just trusted their judgment implicitly 1107 00:46:02,900 --> 00:45:59,760 and I explained what happened to me and 1108 00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:02,910 then slid the the of the print across 1109 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:05,790 the table and said check it out and this 1110 00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,890 person was like wow that's amazing 1111 00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:11,040 and that was look like that's pretty 1112 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:11,880 much as far as they 1113 00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:14,970 went but instead this person reached out 1114 00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:17,849 to their family so I'm being non 1115 00:46:22,759 --> 00:46:20,940 gender-specific non anything specific 1116 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:22,769 because I really need to protect a lot 1117 00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:24,690 of people's privacy here because some of 1118 00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:26,099 these people are involved in military 1119 00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:30,480 and involved in a lot of things so it's 1120 00:46:36,339 --> 00:46:33,630 really this so bear with me as I try to 1121 00:46:39,259 --> 00:46:36,349 sort of explain this so this person 1122 00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:39,269 contacted their sibling and there's this 1123 00:46:45,859 --> 00:46:43,079 sibling unbeknownst to me is married to 1124 00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,869 somebody in Space Command how's that for 1125 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:48,720 a grapevine you know you know degrees of 1126 00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:52,650 separation and so this friend then 1127 00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:54,569 invited me oh you know I have some 1128 00:46:57,769 --> 00:46:56,220 problems with my computer you know and 1129 00:46:59,269 --> 00:46:57,779 you've done some tech stuff for me you 1130 00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:59,279 mind taking a look at my computer so you 1131 00:47:02,779 --> 00:46:59,819 could help me out 1132 00:47:06,799 --> 00:47:02,789 so I sure so it came over this was like 1133 00:47:08,539 --> 00:47:06,809 a maybe a week later or so and looked at 1134 00:47:09,859 --> 00:47:08,549 this person's computer and then the 1135 00:47:13,099 --> 00:47:09,869 person is like oh you know by the way 1136 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:13,109 I'm my siblings I'm on the line here on 1137 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,690 FaceTime I was talking with with them 1138 00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,480 why don't you talk with this person for 1139 00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:20,220 a minute while I go to the neighbor's 1140 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:21,630 house and where are you going I don't 1141 00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,130 know this sibling wait what are you 1142 00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,920 doing and they put me on and the sibling 1143 00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,660 is like hey Mauryan nice to meet you I'm 1144 00:47:32,839 --> 00:47:30,000 like oh nice to meet you too blah blah 1145 00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:32,849 blah and then the sibling sort of cut 1146 00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:34,470 the conversation I want you to meet 1147 00:47:37,549 --> 00:47:34,980 somebody 1148 00:47:40,339 --> 00:47:37,559 I want you to meet my spouse and then 1149 00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:40,349 the spouse went into the frame and said 1150 00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,140 hi I'm so-and-so and I work for space 1151 00:47:47,779 --> 00:47:44,880 command and I'm ranking such-and-such 1152 00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:47,789 rank and I was like whoa okay 1153 00:47:55,249 --> 00:47:51,200 and so the person was uh let's just say 1154 00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:55,259 fairly high-ranking person and said you 1155 00:47:59,299 --> 00:47:57,660 heard we are I heard I heard that you uh 1156 00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:59,309 saw something why don't you tell me 1157 00:48:03,470 --> 00:47:59,940 about it 1158 00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:03,480 and like you did huh so I told the 1159 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:05,099 person well you know explain what I saw 1160 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:07,019 and they said so you have your laptop 1161 00:48:11,779 --> 00:48:09,450 with you I'm like yeah I do as a matter 1162 00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,789 of fact why don't you bring up your 1163 00:48:16,809 --> 00:48:13,680 footage and let me see it turn the phone 1164 00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:16,819 around so I turn the phone around and 1165 00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:19,470 then they said that one picture you said 1166 00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:21,390 it was really shows the details of the 1167 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:23,190 of the disk could you bring that up and 1168 00:48:27,220 --> 00:48:23,810 zoom 1169 00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:27,230 and it in and this person's response for 1170 00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:30,560 yep and I quote yep these suckers are 1171 00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:32,270 real alright we need everything you've 1172 00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:36,440 got and quote that's exactly what he's 1173 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:39,320 what this person said sounds right okay 1174 00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:41,450 I'm like what do you mean you want it we 1175 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:42,920 want everything and you're not going to 1176 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:45,770 talk about it and so then the sibling 1177 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:47,570 got into thing like no go to the news go 1178 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:50,270 to the press and then the space command 1179 00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,910 person push third the sibling out of the 1180 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:55,040 way and said their spot which is their 1181 00:48:58,270 --> 00:48:56,930 spouse and said no you're not going to 1182 00:49:00,490 --> 00:48:58,280 do any such thing you're not going to 1183 00:49:01,810 --> 00:49:00,500 talk about this you're going to do 1184 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:01,820 anything with it you're not going to 1185 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:03,410 share it you're not going to whatever 1186 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:05,450 your as far as you're concerned this 1187 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:07,130 never happened but we need to cut we 1188 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:09,290 need copies of everything you got and we 1189 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:11,810 need them now you know and blah blah 1190 00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:13,610 blah so the conversation continued a 1191 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:15,640 little bit and this person was very 1192 00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:19,010 adamant I'm like some also and I try to 1193 00:49:22,990 --> 00:49:20,830 save so he's so they're real I like 1194 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:23,000 they're like it's not a question it's 1195 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:25,850 not a question of whether or you know 1196 00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:27,410 you're gonna give us access you're just 1197 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:30,260 going to give it to us period and so 1198 00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:32,930 what happened was I did hand over the 1199 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:35,750 pictures I sent them the pictures but I 1200 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:37,370 stalled on handing over the video 1201 00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:40,910 because I just felt like it's the last 1202 00:49:46,030 --> 00:49:43,760 leverage I had and I didn't understand 1203 00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:46,040 what was going on and why this was just 1204 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:47,960 there's just spiraling out of control 1205 00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:49,370 and you have to understand this is not 1206 00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:52,670 my world and my brother is all into UFOs 1207 00:49:56,830 --> 00:49:54,440 and and all this stuff and everything I 1208 00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,840 was not you know and when I put down my 1209 00:50:00,550 --> 00:49:58,640 copy of Chariots of the Gods when I was 1210 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:00,560 a kid that's sort of where my interest 1211 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:02,450 in UFOs had ended you know way way back 1212 00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:06,050 when so this was just sort of a whole 1213 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:09,100 spiraling out of control situation and 1214 00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,730 so I hung I clung to that footage and 1215 00:50:16,210 --> 00:50:14,960 and I didn't want to turn it over at 1216 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:16,220 first so I just made up all sorts of 1217 00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,410 excuses just to not turn it over to them 1218 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:20,960 but they were really adamant and they 1219 00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:22,730 pushed through through family 1220 00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:24,260 connections and friend connections the 1221 00:50:28,990 --> 00:50:26,270 people that I know that they absolutely 1222 00:50:32,290 --> 00:50:29,000 have to have that footage they have to 1223 00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:32,300 have the video so if you have a chance 1224 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:35,150 to feed a video I know I was told that I 1225 00:50:37,220 --> 00:50:36,770 couldn't find it I actually looked for 1226 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:37,230 it 1227 00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:51,690 intersect the movie goes through my 1228 00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:54,180 sighting and the video is there in the 1229 00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:56,220 video is there twice actually I show it 1230 00:50:59,300 --> 00:50:57,510 and then I discuss it and I show it 1231 00:51:00,560 --> 00:50:59,310 again and one of the things people 1232 00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:00,570 should realize when they watch it 1233 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:02,280 there's a there's also two conversions 1234 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:04,770 that happen when you when you are on 1235 00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:07,290 YouTube and so when you watch it you can 1236 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:09,540 notice that the objects look different 1237 00:51:13,310 --> 00:51:11,490 the first time around you see them then 1238 00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,320 the second time around and that's simply 1239 00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:15,720 a product of the conversion that it goes 1240 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:18,150 through on YouTube so and there's 1241 00:51:22,070 --> 00:51:19,770 nothing I can do the original file is 1242 00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:22,080 well over a hundred megabytes and it's 1243 00:51:27,859 --> 00:51:25,590 an an AVI file and I have yet to find a 1244 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:27,869 home for it in its native format so that 1245 00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:29,970 could be seen the way it's meant to be 1246 00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:32,430 seen but that'd be that it is it may 1247 00:51:38,810 --> 00:51:35,880 that the UFOs are still only fuzzy dots 1248 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:38,820 fuzzy grey dots but they were really 1249 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:40,770 adamant about wanting it so when I 1250 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:43,770 finally handed over the videos that's 1251 00:51:47,210 --> 00:51:45,570 when all hell broke loose and that's 1252 00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:47,220 where that's where my life just sort of 1253 00:51:51,140 --> 00:51:48,990 got turned upside down very very very 1254 00:51:56,359 --> 00:51:51,150 quickly because I turned over that I 1255 00:51:58,460 --> 00:51:56,369 mean I emailed a copy of the video I had 1256 00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:58,470 to use it's just such a big file it was 1257 00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:00,300 such a problem to get it to them and 1258 00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:02,220 everything but I did and when I when I 1259 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:05,240 finally did that night the next morning 1260 00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,690 the next morning my friend called me in 1261 00:52:14,570 --> 00:52:12,720 a panic from work and I talked to my 1262 00:52:15,859 --> 00:52:14,580 sibling I took my sibling you know this 1263 00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:15,869 is really important you got to listen to 1264 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:17,430 me carefully I'm like why well what's 1265 00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:19,530 going on there like you email you know 1266 00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:21,150 you sent the video over and everything 1267 00:52:25,310 --> 00:52:22,859 and now everything has changed like what 1268 00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:25,320 do you mean what's changed like f18 are 1269 00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:27,480 heading your way I'm like runner f-18s 1270 00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:29,670 101 H what are you talking about what I 1271 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:31,800 won eight so like so and this person was 1272 00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:32,910 like I don't know my friends like I 1273 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:34,710 don't know what they are but f-18s are 1274 00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:36,570 heading your way and you better and you 1275 00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:37,680 better you're ready for them 1276 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:40,830 and evidently what happened was my 1277 00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,010 friend's sibling that overheard their 1278 00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:47,520 spouse on the phone you know doing Space 1279 00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:49,859 Command business and had leaked the 1280 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:50,700 aircraft 1281 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:54,210 on their way and actually there are two 1282 00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:56,490 squadrons of f-18s that they found their 1283 00:52:59,269 --> 00:52:57,059 way here 1284 00:53:03,019 --> 00:52:59,279 they literally I turn over the footage 1285 00:53:08,859 --> 00:53:03,029 on one night and the aircraft were here 1286 00:53:11,299 --> 00:53:08,869 the next BAM do you think Dom be alright 1287 00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:11,309 we have to go and we have to go into 1288 00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:14,700 break and just in just a minute here but 1289 00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:16,740 just just a couple of things first of 1290 00:53:23,509 --> 00:53:20,099 all astronomers do see UFOs that there's 1291 00:53:25,099 --> 00:53:23,519 a lot of sightings that have happened my 1292 00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:25,109 friend Alejandro Rojas wrote an article 1293 00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:31,950 on that and but why why such a fuss a 1294 00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:34,470 lot of people see UFOs why such a fuss 1295 00:53:43,549 --> 00:53:39,089 and why would why would they send F you 1296 00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,559 know f-18 Hornets departeth yeah super 1297 00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:45,660 nerds but I think we're gonna have to go 1298 00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,900 into the break so I'm gonna come back 1299 00:53:53,569 --> 00:53:50,339 and we're gonna be talking about that 1300 00:53:55,819 --> 00:53:53,579 and in particular all right so all right 1301 00:54:02,059 --> 00:53:55,829 hang in everyone we'll be right back 1302 00:54:04,009 --> 00:54:02,069 right after these messages all right 1303 00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:04,019 welcome back my guest this evening is 1304 00:54:10,579 --> 00:54:06,750 Mariana Rudnick and just before the 1305 00:54:14,839 --> 00:54:10,589 break we were talking about f-18s being 1306 00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:14,849 sent over so I guess you know the 1307 00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,680 question is why would they make such a 1308 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:18,240 big deal about it and why would they 1309 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:23,250 send how long after the event did they 1310 00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:24,930 send them over and why would they send 1311 00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:26,910 them over after I guess that's what I 1312 00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:29,369 have to ask it for question right so 1313 00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:31,740 before we adjust that I'd like to sort 1314 00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,630 of just flip back real quickly to a 1315 00:54:37,759 --> 00:54:35,160 comment you made and I think it's 1316 00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:37,769 important because you'd said well you 1317 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:39,420 had quoted me as saying well astronomers 1318 00:54:44,539 --> 00:54:42,450 don't see UFOs but they do but actually 1319 00:54:47,509 --> 00:54:44,549 never said astronomers don't see UFOs 1320 00:54:49,339 --> 00:54:47,519 the quote that I use like you know on my 1321 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:49,349 website or just in general with my book 1322 00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,690 is that in a straw an astronomer has no 1323 00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,000 business believing in UFOs but sometimes 1324 00:54:58,519 --> 00:54:56,579 he has no choice but actually implies 1325 00:55:00,920 --> 00:54:58,529 that there are astronomers that see them 1326 00:55:01,460 --> 00:55:00,930 but they're being silenced that's what 1327 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:01,470 I'm saying 1328 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:03,210 but there's sometimes somebody has no 1329 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:04,290 choice but finally to 1330 00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:05,370 talk about it because they've been 1331 00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:07,830 forced into a corner and that's me you 1332 00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:10,200 know so I was aware the only astronomer 1333 00:55:15,050 --> 00:55:11,700 I was aware of that it had a sighting 1334 00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:15,060 was Clyde Tombaugh I had heard that he 1335 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:16,680 had been in the I guess Arizona or New 1336 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:18,690 Mexico desert during a barbecue and had 1337 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:20,730 seen some things but I had never really 1338 00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,290 heard of any contemporary astronomers 1339 00:55:26,420 --> 00:55:24,420 seeing anything and certainly I had 1340 00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:26,430 never heard of an astronomer having 1341 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:31,830 footage and the quote itself kind of is 1342 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:34,410 a paraphrasing of what the Space Command 1343 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:37,650 person said because he that person was 1344 00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,410 really adamant they said literally as 1345 00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:42,480 astronomer has no business seeing this 1346 00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:44,910 an astronomer has no business talking 1347 00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:47,160 about this and you are not going to talk 1348 00:55:51,260 --> 00:55:49,260 about this do you understand I'm like oh 1349 00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:51,270 I understand but I'm not agreeing to 1350 00:55:56,180 --> 00:55:53,820 anything and he that person was furious 1351 00:55:57,860 --> 00:55:56,190 but but that's where that quote comes 1352 00:56:01,100 --> 00:55:57,870 from so but that makes sense 1353 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:01,110 hopefully oh yeah yeah it does I'm still 1354 00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:03,690 not understanding why this person from 1355 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:06,660 Space Command would be making such a big 1356 00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:09,450 deal about it because there's sightings 1357 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:11,940 you know I don't know how many thousands 1358 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:14,690 of sightings per year that people see 1359 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:17,490 why do you suppose this person was 1360 00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:20,610 making a big deal about it well I had 1361 00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:22,230 wrestled with the ID with the whole 1362 00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,420 thing for a month before this all 1363 00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:26,400 because but the time the aircraft were 1364 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:27,840 here was actually a month after the 1365 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:29,450 sighting was the beginning of February 1366 00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:34,050 and so is it one of ours because I have 1367 00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:36,230 oh you know mine you just saw 1368 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:39,030 experimental aircraft of some kind or 1369 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:41,130 military Edwards Air Force Base is close 1370 00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,290 by and notice that they were heading 1371 00:56:46,340 --> 00:56:44,880 towards the north towards the mountains 1372 00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,350 and Edwards Air Force Base is on the 1373 00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,480 other side so that's all they were they 1374 00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,920 were just test craft that we're heading 1375 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:52,260 that way and that's all you saw you know 1376 00:56:57,050 --> 00:56:54,570 blah blah blah blah that all went out 1377 00:57:00,080 --> 00:56:57,060 the window really really quickly because 1378 00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:00,090 of their response and it was sort of 1379 00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:03,510 illuminated to me by a friend that I 1380 00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,660 have that works in the DoD world who 1381 00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,400 made a number of comments and 1382 00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:11,040 observations and I can't really divulge 1383 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:12,660 and I mentioned this person in my book 1384 00:57:16,850 --> 00:57:15,090 but the thing that becomes clear is kind 1385 00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:16,860 of like this why would the airplanes 1386 00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:17,700 show up 1387 00:57:23,390 --> 00:57:22,049 a month later so why would they well why 1388 00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,400 and why would they even show up at all 1389 00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:24,960 actually like you said it's a good 1390 00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:29,670 question it's because first of all they 1391 00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:30,900 were waiting for the footage of the 1392 00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:33,059 video they needed all the data for 1393 00:57:36,769 --> 00:57:34,380 whatever reason they wanted to be able 1394 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:36,779 to corroborate that to match the 1395 00:57:41,210 --> 00:57:39,450 pictures against the video and make sure 1396 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:41,220 that everything lines up what they what 1397 00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:43,890 they know and once they know like you 1398 00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:46,529 said lots of people see UFOs maybe you 1399 00:57:49,849 --> 00:57:48,599 know maybe I'm not the only astronomer 1400 00:57:51,289 --> 00:57:49,859 and everything that's taking pictures 1401 00:57:52,819 --> 00:57:51,299 you know I don't know you know maybe 1402 00:57:54,769 --> 00:57:52,829 they've maybe there have been others and 1403 00:57:58,339 --> 00:57:54,779 they've been silenced you know we don't 1404 00:58:00,980 --> 00:57:58,349 know but I do know this the game changer 1405 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:00,990 was that my friend made a big deal about 1406 00:58:07,609 --> 00:58:05,010 is that think about it they said if it 1407 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:07,619 was ours there's no reason for a 1408 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:10,170 military response they would have known 1409 00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:12,089 about the fact that one of their own 1410 00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:14,910 craft went down and that had been they 1411 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:16,980 sure they I try gave them the data at 1412 00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:19,170 the beginning of February but the craft 1413 00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:21,990 had you know I'm but you know we're seen 1414 00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:25,440 on January 1st a month before they knew 1415 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:27,180 it went that may be a craft had gone 1416 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:28,890 down or crafts were flying in the area 1417 00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:30,210 this would not have been news to them 1418 00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:32,339 they would not have responded they 1419 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:33,900 wouldn't have been surprised when I in 1420 00:58:38,749 --> 00:58:36,450 face time when I was talking with them 1421 00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:38,759 on the phone and they certainly wouldn't 1422 00:58:44,779 --> 00:58:41,839 have dispatched two squadrons of f-18s 1423 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:44,789 here to the location so why would they 1424 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:47,970 because it's a crash event and it's not 1425 00:58:52,990 --> 00:58:50,490 ours so you think that's the simple 1426 00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:53,000 answer I see so you think what they 1427 00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:55,619 their involvement had to do with they 1428 00:59:00,049 --> 00:58:57,960 think there was because of the way this 1429 00:59:04,279 --> 00:59:00,059 craft was reacting and the possible 1430 00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:04,289 damaged craft that yeah my discussion 1431 00:59:09,019 --> 00:59:06,630 with Sam business yeah my discussions 1432 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:09,029 with them during that phone call all 1433 00:59:13,999 --> 00:59:11,970 focused on that fourth craft that's what 1434 00:59:15,380 --> 00:59:14,009 they were just added you know everything 1435 00:59:16,999 --> 00:59:15,390 you can tell us about how it moved with 1436 00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:17,009 this what it does what you saw I'm like 1437 00:59:20,509 --> 00:59:19,079 I don't know there are spots maybe there 1438 00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:20,519 were burn marks maybe it was lightning 1439 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:22,500 they hit it I don't know I go but I know 1440 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:24,450 that it was just acting like a like a 1441 00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:26,490 wounded animal and I heard you know and 1442 00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:28,230 and the others seemed to be trying to 1443 00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:29,849 protect it and they're like what would 1444 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:30,780 read it wet did you 1445 00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:32,010 see it go down on the mountain tomorrow 1446 00:59:35,810 --> 00:59:34,140 I don't know I go I turn around for a 1447 00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:35,820 second and you were just gone they're 1448 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:37,590 like were you sure you know dude do you 1449 00:59:40,580 --> 00:59:38,970 know whether they went you know what I'm 1450 00:59:41,930 --> 00:59:40,590 like I don't yeah I go I can't answer 1451 00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:41,940 your question I go I just know that they 1452 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:43,740 disappeared and I know the general area 1453 00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:44,970 that they were heading in towards the 1454 00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:46,680 San Gabriel Mountains right above my 1455 00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:50,160 house and so then we want all your 1456 00:59:53,540 --> 00:59:51,780 footage we want everything you've got 1457 00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:53,550 well they got everything I had and they 1458 00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:55,710 showed up the next day why because a 1459 00:59:59,720 --> 00:59:58,140 it's not what's not one of our craft 1460 01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,730 otherwise there's no reason to come here 1461 01:00:03,260 --> 01:00:01,680 they would have recovered one of our 1462 01:00:05,420 --> 01:00:03,270 craft if it was one of ours a lot a 1463 01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:05,430 month ago when the crash happened 1464 01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:07,260 and second of all it obviously must have 1465 01:00:10,610 --> 01:00:08,460 been a downed craft or they wouldn't 1466 01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:10,620 have been bothered and these these FA 1467 01:00:15,830 --> 01:00:13,350 teens were here for a week and I think 1468 01:00:18,170 --> 01:00:15,840 the other videos there are a ton of 1469 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:18,180 videos about this when the aircraft were 1470 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:19,650 here the people who posted all that's 1471 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:22,050 that's gone and so is the CBS News 1472 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:24,810 report but on the CBS website if you dig 1473 01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:26,930 I think the news report is still there 1474 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:29,910 and you can actually see them on the 1475 01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:32,010 ground at night the reporters talking 1476 01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,660 and they zoom in on the aircraft and you 1477 01:00:39,260 --> 01:00:35,940 can see that two of the pilots are even 1478 01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:39,270 identified in the footage as code code 1479 01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:40,830 name where there are their names their 1480 01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:45,000 their airforce names murderface and half 1481 01:00:51,590 --> 01:00:49,110 man now that strikes me it's already 1482 01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:51,600 really really interesting pilots to have 1483 01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:53,790 here you know and you can plainly see 1484 01:00:59,090 --> 01:00:56,910 the names in the CBS news report but 1485 01:01:01,340 --> 01:00:59,100 anyways you've got two squadrons and 1486 01:01:03,350 --> 01:01:01,350 then they're over flying this area over 1487 01:01:06,980 --> 01:01:03,360 Monrovia over my house and over these 1488 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:06,990 hills every hour on the hour in pairs 1489 01:01:13,490 --> 01:01:10,530 the f-18s for a week just blazing over 1490 01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:13,500 there again and again and again and when 1491 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:16,380 I did reach out to my DoD work-related 1492 01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:20,490 friend about this they said but are 1493 01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:22,560 there other aircraft in the area I don't 1494 01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:24,750 know this is you know because I didn't 1495 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:26,310 contact them till maybe a day or two 1496 01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:28,530 after this though the week of insanity 1497 01:01:33,980 --> 01:01:32,700 ended and this person said well you 1498 01:01:35,930 --> 01:01:33,990 heard other aircrafts I'm like yeah 1499 01:01:38,090 --> 01:01:35,940 there were there the other aircraft were 1500 01:01:40,550 --> 01:01:38,100 the recon aircraft they were actually 1501 01:01:44,180 --> 01:01:40,560 probably looking for what the downed 1502 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:44,190 craft wear was and the Jets were part of 1503 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:45,810 two f-18s were positive that because 1504 01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:47,490 they're equipped to do that kind of work 1505 01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:50,280 as well but but they're also a 1506 01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,260 distraction they're the big shiny noisy 1507 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:54,720 thing that you look at while the other 1508 01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:56,970 more serious aircraft are doing even 1509 01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,990 more serious work 1510 01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,520 not that the f-18s are doing serious 1511 01:02:04,310 --> 01:02:01,200 work but they're sort of working in 1512 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:04,320 concert together I would think that if I 1513 01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:07,770 were to send out a search party so to 1514 01:02:12,610 --> 01:02:09,960 speak that helicopters would be the way 1515 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:12,620 to go did you see how a copters as well 1516 01:02:18,590 --> 01:02:16,170 no I saw I saw what looked like an e 11 1517 01:02:20,570 --> 01:02:18,600 a bacon for I don't know how he 1518 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:20,580 presented some sort it's like a 1519 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:24,090 battlefield coordination Network Center 1520 01:02:30,050 --> 01:02:27,810 aircraft that will coordinate assets 1521 01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:30,060 multiple assets in the ground air and 1522 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:32,220 everywhere else and there could have 1523 01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:33,450 been helicopters but they could have 1524 01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:35,400 been really really high again there 1525 01:02:38,090 --> 01:02:36,720 could have been helicopters behind the 1526 01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:38,100 hills and I would have known it because 1527 01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,530 the Jets were so loud so I won't say 1528 01:02:45,050 --> 01:02:42,480 that the helicopters weren't here but I 1529 01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:45,060 can say this that once the Jets left the 1530 01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:48,780 helicopters took over this has been this 1531 01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:50,760 has been like a helicopter airshow ever 1532 01:02:57,050 --> 01:02:54,300 since and it started slow 2017 you just 1533 01:02:59,570 --> 01:02:57,060 see spots of you know helicopters that 1534 01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,580 would they would arrive and to be honest 1535 01:03:03,050 --> 01:03:01,200 I kind of didn't pay attention to them 1536 01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:03,060 at first just like most people you know 1537 01:03:06,290 --> 01:03:04,590 you look up there's a helicopter that's 1538 01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:06,300 cool and you just sort of walk it off 1539 01:03:10,820 --> 01:03:08,910 and you move on with your life but when 1540 01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:10,830 I live nestled of the hills which is 1541 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:13,140 where the craft must have gone down 1542 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:15,330 somewhere on the other side 1543 01:03:19,850 --> 01:03:17,130 the helicopters became more and more 1544 01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:19,860 frequent really frequent became until it 1545 01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:22,560 became an airshow literally we're 1546 01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:27,000 talking a h1 Vipers uh-1 venoms 1547 01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:31,020 Blackhawks Apaches kaya's they're 1548 01:03:36,590 --> 01:03:34,230 constantly our 44 Ravens remotely 1549 01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:36,600 piloted ones ago to this day go back and 1550 01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:38,190 forth and traverse along the hills and 1551 01:03:41,060 --> 01:03:40,020 then disappear then after a while you 1552 01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,070 don't see anything then they're back 1553 01:03:47,690 --> 01:03:43,920 you've got B 22 Ospreys that make 1554 01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,700 regular appearances Chinooks lakotas and 1555 01:03:50,690 --> 01:03:49,440 unmarked gray how the copters that I 1556 01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:50,700 have for this is going to be the focus 1557 01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:52,650 of my second book there's just so much 1558 01:03:59,760 --> 01:03:57,160 stuff that happened especially that 1559 01:04:02,580 --> 01:03:59,770 in 20 the end of 2018 and then through 1560 01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:02,590 2019 this year that it became just so 1561 01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:04,510 overwhelming that I was forced literally 1562 01:04:08,970 --> 01:04:07,060 to split what my original book was in 1563 01:04:11,130 --> 01:04:08,980 half which is why when you read the book 1564 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:11,140 there's sort of a cliffhanger ending 1565 01:04:15,210 --> 01:04:13,450 where I show some some pictures and I'm 1566 01:04:18,030 --> 01:04:15,220 not trying to be mean and do teasers 1567 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:18,040 it's just that I just you know I would 1568 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:20,530 have been a 600 page book otherwise so I 1569 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:21,970 just had to be realistic and break it 1570 01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:24,850 apart and and then just sort of digest 1571 01:04:28,380 --> 01:04:26,590 what's been happening here because it's 1572 01:04:31,710 --> 01:04:28,390 been so overwhelming but it goes through 1573 01:04:34,290 --> 01:04:31,720 phases you go here and like right now 1574 01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:34,300 and it's quiet and doesn't seem like 1575 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:36,220 there's anything going on and then all 1576 01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:38,290 of a sudden all hell breaks loose and 1577 01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:40,030 it's just insanity you know in 1578 01:04:43,710 --> 01:04:41,950 helicopters show up in mass and then a 1579 01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,720 military one will show up and then you 1580 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:45,520 see you know an intelligence aircraft 1581 01:04:50,850 --> 01:04:48,250 way high overhead you know or jets that 1582 01:04:52,590 --> 01:04:50,860 you can't hear and it'll be like several 1583 01:04:55,980 --> 01:04:52,600 hours or a day of that kind of activity 1584 01:04:58,260 --> 01:04:55,990 and all of a sudden nothing again so and 1585 01:05:00,300 --> 01:04:58,270 you said no you live near Edwards Air 1586 01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:00,310 Force is is it near there is that what 1587 01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:02,200 you said no Edwards Air Force Base is on 1588 01:05:06,090 --> 01:05:03,310 the other side of the San Gabriel 1589 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:06,100 Mountains here uh-huh so to them to the 1590 01:05:10,740 --> 01:05:09,130 north so but that's it's like a couple 1591 01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,750 hours drive from here it's not it's not 1592 01:05:15,150 --> 01:05:12,640 like it's close by what about the other 1593 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:15,160 but I am again I get them out is there 1594 01:05:22,050 --> 01:05:19,450 other military bases there they're south 1595 01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:22,060 also a couple of hours like in a San 1596 01:05:29,250 --> 01:05:24,700 Diego area in that area there's no 1597 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:29,260 military base per se like right here I 1598 01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,410 know that supposedly there is a quote 1599 01:05:37,470 --> 01:05:34,960 unquote secret hidden military army base 1600 01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:37,480 in the hills above Glendora and Azusa 1601 01:05:42,270 --> 01:05:40,390 which is to the east of me and that's 1602 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:42,280 actually not far from where my brother's 1603 01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:44,770 house is and he sees helicopters come in 1604 01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:46,510 and out of there all the time also 1605 01:05:50,340 --> 01:05:48,790 though I'm sure they would deny it but I 1606 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:50,350 think it's common knowledge in this area 1607 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:52,210 that they're there and there's military 1608 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:54,490 vehicles that that drive around here all 1609 01:05:57,870 --> 01:05:55,930 of a sudden that will you to see them 1610 01:05:59,790 --> 01:05:57,880 appear Humvees and this and that you 1611 01:06:01,500 --> 01:05:59,800 know that all of a sudden he said wow 1612 01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:01,510 I'm looking at a fully armed Humvee 1613 01:06:05,790 --> 01:06:03,070 driving down the street and it's just 1614 01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:05,800 gone you know and it goes into there's 1615 01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:07,990 access roads into these hills and they 1616 01:06:12,780 --> 01:06:10,990 disappear up that way and I know that 1617 01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:12,790 in social media some people are like 1618 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:16,000 there I've gotten outreach and all sorts 1619 01:06:21,810 --> 01:06:20,650 of ways from people about this and you 1620 01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,820 know and actually and want to take a 1621 01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:23,440 second you know speaking of social media 1622 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:25,630 and if I'm a sort of digress for a 1623 01:06:28,980 --> 01:06:26,170 second 1624 01:06:30,990 --> 01:06:28,990 I just wanna for everybody that's out 1625 01:06:34,740 --> 01:06:31,000 there that's that's you know been on my 1626 01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:34,750 Facebook and Twitter pages and so many 1627 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:37,330 of you have actually sent me private 1628 01:06:40,410 --> 01:06:39,010 messages you know direct messages things 1629 01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:40,420 like that I just want to really take a 1630 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:42,670 second to just thank you for your 1631 01:06:46,590 --> 01:06:44,650 support and your kindness and your care 1632 01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,600 and your understanding and your concern 1633 01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:48,400 for my well-being and everything it has 1634 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:50,590 been a very very rough road and it 1635 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:52,090 actually means a lot to me and your 1636 01:06:58,410 --> 01:06:55,810 suggestions and your concern is really 1637 01:07:02,030 --> 01:06:58,420 really greatly appreciated but so 1638 01:07:05,490 --> 01:07:02,040 anyways back to what you're asking about 1639 01:07:07,260 --> 01:07:05,500 yeah they you would think that I could 1640 01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:07,270 get into the hills and take a closer 1641 01:07:12,030 --> 01:07:10,240 look at what's going on I can't ever 1642 01:07:14,970 --> 01:07:12,040 since the sighting this the cities 1643 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:14,980 around here have very very quietly 1644 01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:17,410 restricted access to any of the roads 1645 01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,420 all of sudden their signs have gone up 1646 01:07:24,060 --> 01:07:21,760 you know federal property or state 1647 01:07:25,590 --> 01:07:24,070 property no access allowed and 1648 01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:25,600 everything you know you will be jailed 1649 01:07:29,370 --> 01:07:28,090 and find them blah blah blah and areas 1650 01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:29,380 where you could used to be able to hike 1651 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:31,150 so I thought oh I could just hike into 1652 01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:33,130 these areas and take a look for myself 1653 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:35,440 what's going on back here can't get in 1654 01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:37,210 there at all it's like it's it's a ring 1655 01:07:41,730 --> 01:07:39,310 of security that sort of appeared oh you 1656 01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:41,740 know slowly but surely and sort of crept 1657 01:07:48,270 --> 01:07:43,840 around these areas on all these 1658 01:07:51,870 --> 01:07:48,280 foothills what all right if you were if 1659 01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:51,880 you were a skeptic what would you be 1660 01:07:56,490 --> 01:07:54,609 saying to you right now would you be 1661 01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:56,500 saying well maybe there is some type of 1662 01:08:02,400 --> 01:07:58,690 military exercises going on on 1663 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:02,410 government land or you know I mean what 1664 01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:05,410 would you think the other reasons could 1665 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:08,920 be besides I would have a really hard 1666 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:12,970 time dismissing someone like what 1667 01:08:19,050 --> 01:08:16,810 someone like me is saying because the 1668 01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:19,060 amount of military activity which show 1669 01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:21,400 me another place in a country where 1670 01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,140 there isn't a military base next door 1671 01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:25,199 and you've got 1672 01:08:29,819 --> 01:08:27,880 Viper's & Venom's and Blackhawks and 1673 01:08:32,010 --> 01:08:29,829 Apaches and Kiowas and ravens and 1674 01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:32,020 Ospreys and lakotas and Chinooks and 1675 01:08:36,899 --> 01:08:34,750 rare drones military drones and then if 1676 01:08:38,459 --> 01:08:36,909 we got compass calls which are playing 1677 01:08:41,099 --> 01:08:38,469 which are battlefield airplanes which 1678 01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:41,109 coordinate assets hawkeye's intelligent 1679 01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:43,270 plays normally a hawk one Hawk I will 1680 01:08:47,490 --> 01:08:45,460 appear I have I have a pictures of three 1681 01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:47,500 of them appearing together what are they 1682 01:08:51,959 --> 01:08:49,960 looking for and then FA f-18s and then 1683 01:08:53,819 --> 01:08:51,969 you've got this f-16 fighter that went 1684 01:08:55,950 --> 01:08:53,829 down not long ago with maybe a month or 1685 01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,960 so ago which the press just sort of was 1686 01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,279 like a blurb overnight and then 1687 01:09:03,209 --> 01:08:59,199 everybody just sort of ignored it think 1688 01:09:06,030 --> 01:09:03,219 about it a fully armed f-16 fighter was 1689 01:09:08,819 --> 01:09:06,040 flying along the foothills of the San 1690 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:08,829 Gabriel Mountains went down into a Auto 1691 01:09:14,849 --> 01:09:12,130 Parts Warehouse in Riverside fully armed 1692 01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:14,859 and fairly intact fortunately nobody was 1693 01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:17,380 hurt and the pilot was able to eject the 1694 01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,420 military puts a ring of security around 1695 01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:21,279 it recovers the aircraft says it's fully 1696 01:09:27,809 --> 01:09:24,670 armed and one per one spokesman from the 1697 01:09:30,089 --> 01:09:27,819 military they they have no comment about 1698 01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:30,099 the riot a fully armed f-16 is doing 1699 01:09:34,379 --> 01:09:32,710 over flights over these areas except for 1700 01:09:38,959 --> 01:09:34,389 one spokesman who missed speaks and says 1701 01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:38,969 it was on a armed space defense mission 1702 01:09:46,379 --> 01:09:42,420 what is an armed space defense mission 1703 01:09:50,490 --> 01:09:46,389 over foothills nestled along residential 1704 01:09:53,089 --> 01:09:50,500 areas of Southern California so I would 1705 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:53,099 ask that of a skeptic and I'll also ask 1706 01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,690 the fact that a lot of the footage the 1707 01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,760 things that I'm going to be you know in 1708 01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:59,199 the second book that are we putting out 1709 01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,400 and the book is sort of chronological 1710 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:03,760 which is why I focused on 2017 in the 1711 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:05,170 first book and the second book will be 1712 01:10:11,819 --> 01:10:09,489 2018 and 2019 up to the present and one 1713 01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:11,829 of the things I found is that you see 1714 01:10:14,819 --> 01:10:13,360 these helicopters and they're flying and 1715 01:10:17,339 --> 01:10:14,829 sometimes they're just so erratic and 1716 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:17,349 the aircraft and what it's going on so I 1717 01:10:22,649 --> 01:10:19,690 take footage take pictures and I also do 1718 01:10:24,540 --> 01:10:22,659 video and the videos was what would be 1719 01:10:26,910 --> 01:10:24,550 extremely telling because also in the 1720 01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:26,920 video you would see that there's an orb 1721 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:30,310 in the area and I found that I had to 1722 01:10:34,260 --> 01:10:32,650 you know you get sort of that like what 1723 01:10:36,990 --> 01:10:34,270 I described earlier and there's some in 1724 01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:37,000 our talk the shiny object syndrome where 1725 01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:37,980 you're Wow 1726 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:40,110 this is a there's an osprey you know Wow 1727 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:41,970 and you're looking at the Osprey but 1728 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:43,290 you're not looking what the Osprey is 1729 01:10:47,979 --> 01:10:45,690 doing you're not looking with the Apache 1730 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:47,989 or the Blackhawk helicopter is doing and 1731 01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:50,130 what's its what it's doing is it's 1732 01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:52,440 circling an area in a canyon here behind 1733 01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:54,060 the mountains for example in many 1734 01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:56,370 instances again and again and again it's 1735 01:10:59,840 --> 01:10:58,590 what is it circling well one of the 1736 01:11:02,450 --> 01:10:59,850 videos I shot that was kind of 1737 01:11:05,540 --> 01:11:02,460 eye-opening and this is actually isn't a 1738 01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:05,550 at the end of my book I posted a it's in 1739 01:11:10,820 --> 01:11:06,930 there and I posted I think I posted the 1740 01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,830 picture also on my website is um I was 1741 01:11:15,620 --> 01:11:13,440 busy filming the the helicopters going 1742 01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:15,630 in circles and I reviewed the footage 1743 01:11:19,370 --> 01:11:17,790 like oh my god there's what they're 1744 01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:19,380 circling they're circling an orb that's 1745 01:11:22,340 --> 01:11:20,640 just hanging over the neighborhood 1746 01:11:25,130 --> 01:11:22,350 that's their field right next to the 1747 01:11:26,570 --> 01:11:25,140 next to the the hills and it's just 1748 01:11:28,460 --> 01:11:26,580 hanging there the helicopters are going 1749 01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,470 around and around it's they're chasing 1750 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:29,760 they're trying to chase it away it's 1751 01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:31,650 almost like the military is pushing back 1752 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:35,310 at whatever is here and and I don't know 1753 01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:38,930 why what's here is here Wow interesting 1754 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:43,560 off off the coast of you I'm just trying 1755 01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,330 to think of you know there's there is a 1756 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:47,520 lot of there appears to be a lot of 1757 01:11:53,420 --> 01:11:49,770 sightings off the coast of Southern 1758 01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:53,430 California how far away is your location 1759 01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,070 I know you said you know you're near 1760 01:12:00,890 --> 01:11:58,320 Pasadena which is inland a bit but is 1761 01:12:03,410 --> 01:12:00,900 that like 50 miles to the ocean or is it 1762 01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:03,420 further than oh no no I'm we in 1763 01:12:09,380 --> 01:12:04,860 California we measure everything by 1764 01:12:11,210 --> 01:12:09,390 Drive time it's not it's not I have no 1765 01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,220 idea how many miles it is but I can tell 1766 01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:12,960 you that it's probably about uh I could 1767 01:12:17,210 --> 01:12:14,940 probably reach the nearest beach on a 1768 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:17,220 clear day a clear driving day maybe in 1769 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:19,530 30 40 minutes so it's fairly close 1770 01:12:22,820 --> 01:12:21,090 beaches are closed if you're in the 1771 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:22,830 hills here and the foothills if you grow 1772 01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:24,570 up high enough you can see the edge of 1773 01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:25,860 the ocean and you can actually in 1774 01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:27,750 Monrovia in there if you're in the right 1775 01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:29,489 place on the right street you can see 1776 01:12:33,860 --> 01:12:31,560 Catalina Island in the distance I see 1777 01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:33,870 Wow because there is a lot of settings 1778 01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,489 are we going there's a lot of sightings 1779 01:12:41,660 --> 01:12:38,640 on one of one of the things that's now 1780 01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:41,670 become sort of I've become sort of a 1781 01:12:46,459 --> 01:12:44,580 repository of information and I don't 1782 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:46,469 know what to even do with it or you know 1783 01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:49,850 people are so kind in there and they are 1784 01:12:55,460 --> 01:12:51,420 desperate for 1785 01:12:58,190 --> 01:12:55,470 being heard but they are terrified of 1786 01:13:00,260 --> 01:12:58,200 the response that they'll get would be 1787 01:13:01,820 --> 01:13:00,270 mocked having their you know their 1788 01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,830 livelihood you know threatened when 1789 01:13:06,020 --> 01:13:03,840 people just you know tearing them apart 1790 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:06,030 haha you think you saw something bulla 1791 01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:08,970 blah but I I have streams in my Facebook 1792 01:13:13,310 --> 01:13:11,280 and Twitter of people that are literally 1793 01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:13,320 telling me about things they see and one 1794 01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,850 of the things that I'm seeing is a 1795 01:13:19,730 --> 01:13:17,520 pattern of military aircraft all along 1796 01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:19,740 these foothills all along these 1797 01:13:25,670 --> 01:13:22,710 foothills one person even outed the 1798 01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:25,680 location of a hidden military airstrip 1799 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:27,300 on the other side of these mountains and 1800 01:13:30,710 --> 01:13:29,250 everything and gave me the specific 1801 01:13:32,150 --> 01:13:30,720 location of the towns and where it is 1802 01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:32,160 and there's literally in the middle of 1803 01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:34,950 desert there's chain-link fence and five 1804 01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:37,710 unmarked gray off sprays just one of 1805 01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:39,510 them is in my book as a matter of fact 1806 01:13:43,940 --> 01:13:41,640 and I posted a picture of it in my road 1807 01:13:45,260 --> 01:13:43,950 nick.com website so you can see it there 1808 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:45,270 also if you don't have the book it can 1809 01:13:49,580 --> 01:13:47,130 go to the website and I think it's there 1810 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:49,590 if it's not there I will put it up there 1811 01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:51,690 but it's a gray off spray that was 1812 01:13:58,130 --> 01:13:53,490 unmarked it was circling this house and 1813 01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,140 this person DM me on Twitter and said 1814 01:14:01,970 --> 01:14:00,480 there's a space airstrip that's been put 1815 01:14:03,710 --> 01:14:01,980 together and everything on the other 1816 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:03,720 side of the mountains where you are and 1817 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:05,730 these five Ospreys are here and there's 1818 01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,370 a ton of like black unmarked helicopters 1819 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:10,320 here and they're all flying towards your 1820 01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:13,050 area from this location like oh my god 1821 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:15,510 and another person who lives in Omani 1822 01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,930 next to the Omani Airport who read the 1823 01:14:23,150 --> 01:14:20,640 book always had reached out to me and is 1824 01:14:25,820 --> 01:14:23,160 terrified to talk publicly and said that 1825 01:14:29,210 --> 01:14:25,830 she has seen black helicopters come out 1826 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:29,220 from that Airport towards where I live 1827 01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:31,050 and then disappear and the hillside 1828 01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:33,420 behind so you can see them drop behind 1829 01:14:38,150 --> 01:14:35,490 the hillside beat we're behind where you 1830 01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:38,160 live and like I know I have footage I I 1831 01:14:43,190 --> 01:14:40,920 have footage Barton of helicopters 1832 01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,200 literally hanging in the air you tell 1833 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:44,880 this to the debunkers and they're 1834 01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:46,650 literally slowly descending vertically 1835 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:49,560 down behind these hills now you tell me 1836 01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:51,330 what's behind these hills that's so 1837 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:53,840 valuable that military and and unmarked 1838 01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:55,770 helicopters are going back there and 1839 01:15:01,850 --> 01:14:58,380 everything and landing now they know I'm 1840 01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:01,860 here now and in a lot of cases they've 1841 01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:04,290 actually now attacked me which is 1842 01:15:06,710 --> 01:15:05,460 illegal and I 1843 01:15:08,690 --> 01:15:06,720 footage of it where the helicopter 1844 01:15:10,670 --> 01:15:08,700 swooped in and come in on me in it and I 1845 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:10,680 can see the pilots faces and they think 1846 01:15:14,690 --> 01:15:12,570 they're you know they're gonna freak me 1847 01:15:17,570 --> 01:15:14,700 out and inside yeah I'm freaking out you 1848 01:15:20,090 --> 01:15:17,580 know I've got a multi-ton million dollar 1849 01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:20,100 helicopter barreling down on me either 1850 01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:22,290 an unmarked helicopter of some kind or 1851 01:15:29,180 --> 01:15:25,380 in one case a Blackhawk circling and 1852 01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:29,190 doing like like mock dives at me and but 1853 01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,870 they're but they're getting pissed 1854 01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:33,600 because when I motion towards my eyes 1855 01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:35,970 and then point at them like I see you 1856 01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:38,310 and I'm holding a camera and I'm 1857 01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:40,170 standing in my front yard and I'm not 1858 01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:43,620 backing off and they're pissed 1859 01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:47,580 I mean pissed and I reached out to my 1860 01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:51,840 DoD contact and this person was just all 1861 01:15:55,580 --> 01:15:54,510 they would say is like like they were 1862 01:15:58,010 --> 01:15:55,590 very very adamant 1863 01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:58,020 I cannot address this directly to you 1864 01:16:02,510 --> 01:16:00,120 but I'm telling you you have made this 1865 01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:02,520 whole issue extremely personal to a lot 1866 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:04,470 of people and everything that are 1867 01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:07,290 involved in all of this and you better 1868 01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:10,920 be careful about what line you cross and 1869 01:16:17,870 --> 01:16:15,360 this is where the big came in the bibs 1870 01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:17,880 okay like men in black yeah I just call 1871 01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:24,000 the mid yes yeah Oh MIPS so I still I 1872 01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:27,360 understand your story and and you know 1873 01:16:32,810 --> 01:16:29,100 I'm listening to you but I just don't 1874 01:16:34,490 --> 01:16:32,820 get why they'd be after you I mean I've 1875 01:16:36,490 --> 01:16:34,500 talked to a lot of people that have seen 1876 01:16:39,740 --> 01:16:36,500 a lot of crazy things 1877 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:39,750 no one's ever like actually coming at 1878 01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:43,050 you with a helicopter I mean that's yeah 1879 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:46,080 I I don't I don't know I don't I to be 1880 01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:47,610 honest with you really the honest answer 1881 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:50,250 is I really don't know I have I have 1882 01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:53,130 ideas or sub positions or you know that 1883 01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:55,260 maybe because I'm not backing down maybe 1884 01:16:59,300 --> 01:16:57,540 because I'm not cowering in fear or 1885 01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:59,310 maybe because I mean I think you know oh 1886 01:17:03,290 --> 01:17:01,500 my god I'm so freaked out I can't handle 1887 01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:03,300 this anymore and I'm curling up into a 1888 01:17:07,610 --> 01:17:06,120 ball into a corner you know III did that 1889 01:17:09,230 --> 01:17:07,620 for a while you know at the beginning 1890 01:17:11,230 --> 01:17:09,240 and everything not quite to that extent 1891 01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,240 to where I just sort of withdrew and 1892 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:13,920 matter of fact people at the gym that I 1893 01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:15,690 go to locally here were commenting as a 1894 01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:18,060 matter of fact recently about how you 1895 01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:19,320 know wow you we didn't know you 1896 01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,760 you know you were actually an extrovert 1897 01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:22,080 because we've only been coming here for 1898 01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:24,120 a year or so and we've just known you as 1899 01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:27,030 this withdrawn quiet person who is just 1900 01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:28,290 sort of keeps to themselves and like 1901 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:29,520 yeah well that's because I was trying to 1902 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:30,810 process everything that's happening to 1903 01:17:32,930 --> 01:17:31,170 me 1904 01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:32,940 and I don't know I don't understand why 1905 01:17:36,350 --> 01:17:34,260 you'd bother following me with a 1906 01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,360 helicopter I don't know why they would 1907 01:17:39,890 --> 01:17:38,640 take dives at me I don't know why I'm at 1908 01:17:41,690 --> 01:17:39,900 the gym and I see a Black Hawk 1909 01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:41,700 helicopter come racing across the 1910 01:17:45,650 --> 01:17:43,860 mountains come down to send over a 1911 01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:45,660 shopping center and then hover over my 1912 01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:47,490 my 67 convertible 1913 01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:48,900 you know while everybody's walking 1914 01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:50,790 around just ignoring it it was just 1915 01:17:54,410 --> 01:17:52,440 blows me away the public has just just 1916 01:17:56,690 --> 01:17:54,420 ignores these things happening and then 1917 01:17:58,670 --> 01:17:56,700 goes tearing off when I go running after 1918 01:17:59,900 --> 01:17:58,680 it that's the thing that about this is 1919 01:18:02,450 --> 01:17:59,910 that I just go running after these 1920 01:18:02,750 --> 01:18:02,460 things I don't I don't I stand up to 1921 01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:02,760 them 1922 01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:07,770 but why and I asked my DoD contacts 1923 01:18:12,110 --> 01:18:10,080 everything about this and they and I and 1924 01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,120 I they just said well you realize this 1925 01:18:16,730 --> 01:18:14,400 cost a lot of money like this is not my 1926 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:16,740 problem I'm not asking them to follow me 1927 01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,690 I'm not asking you to harass me I don't 1928 01:18:22,850 --> 01:18:20,640 understand why why all of this is going 1929 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:22,860 on and the only thing the only thing 1930 01:18:25,820 --> 01:18:24,570 that makes sense to me that I can come 1931 01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:25,830 up with unless somebody can give me a 1932 01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:28,440 better answer is that I have you 1933 01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:31,170 mentioned triangles I I have now 1934 01:18:35,150 --> 01:18:33,540 acquired over the last year just 1935 01:18:38,540 --> 01:18:35,160 sightings of a number of craft your 1936 01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:38,550 triangles weird tetrahedral craft so 1937 01:18:46,670 --> 01:18:41,280 it's like a you know equal Satya he'd 1938 01:18:49,790 --> 01:18:46,680 ruin some three-sided pyramid and orbs 1939 01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:49,800 and disks and things like that and so 1940 01:18:54,140 --> 01:18:51,030 I'm seeing all of this and I'm seeing 1941 01:18:57,440 --> 01:18:54,150 them in some cases there's a picture 1942 01:18:59,390 --> 01:18:57,450 that that's up also that's is um where 1943 01:19:02,720 --> 01:18:59,400 there's two Blackhawks and there's a 1944 01:19:05,690 --> 01:19:02,730 dark orb following them or I have in the 1945 01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:05,700 book there's three hawk eyes that I 1946 01:19:10,460 --> 01:19:09,000 photographed and there's two discs 1947 01:19:13,670 --> 01:19:10,470 following them they dropped out of the 1948 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:13,680 sky followed the three hawk eyes for 1949 01:19:17,060 --> 01:19:15,210 maybe just a fraction of second then 1950 01:19:17,930 --> 01:19:17,070 banked it just burst back into the 1951 01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:17,940 clouds and they're gone 1952 01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:20,370 fortunately I saw them appear in the 1953 01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:21,900 clouds so I'll just focus on the planes 1954 01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:23,310 I'm like they're gonna do it they're 1955 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:25,110 gonna do it you know I this is you know 1956 01:19:28,340 --> 01:19:26,610 I've done this enough times and 1957 01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:28,350 everywhere I've taken pictures or video 1958 01:19:32,060 --> 01:19:30,450 where things wind up behind aircraft and 1959 01:19:33,140 --> 01:19:32,070 the aircraft just aren't aware that 1960 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:33,150 they're being followed 1961 01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:34,890 and sure enough the minute they appeared 1962 01:19:39,230 --> 01:19:36,900 I just clicked and I got the money shot 1963 01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:39,240 but you know so sometimes I'm very lucky 1964 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:41,400 and sometimes I just enabled us to sort 1965 01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:43,530 of be very very you know persistent and 1966 01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,440 get the shot that I need but the short 1967 01:19:50,210 --> 01:19:48,000 answer is I think I live in the wrong 1968 01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:50,220 place for them I live where they're 1969 01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:51,840 dealing with some sort of issue here 1970 01:19:58,420 --> 01:19:53,730 maybe this is some sort of beachhead 1971 01:20:00,740 --> 01:19:58,430 where I know supposedly I guess that um 1972 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:00,750 Elizondo is dealing with stuff like and 1973 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:01,770 you would have mentioned in Catalina 1974 01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:04,530 Island and tic-tacs and all this kind of 1975 01:20:09,650 --> 01:20:07,110 stuff and and I have seen a couple of 1976 01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:09,660 tick tock type crafts here so they've 1977 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:12,420 come inland and maybe there that's what 1978 01:20:15,650 --> 01:20:14,250 the military activity is all about is 1979 01:20:19,250 --> 01:20:15,660 about the fact that there's an increased 1980 01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:19,260 activity of UFOs and but the general 1981 01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,970 public here isn't paying attention and 1982 01:20:25,130 --> 01:20:22,800 the military doesn't need a 1983 01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:25,140 whistleblower or somebody going hey look 1984 01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:26,670 hey look you know come over here and 1985 01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,250 look and and anybody who's listening to 1986 01:20:33,650 --> 01:20:30,960 me and everything you know I'm not a 1987 01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:33,660 Hogg at all come here and look come and 1988 01:20:36,620 --> 01:20:35,460 actually there have been people who have 1989 01:20:38,780 --> 01:20:36,630 reached out to me and I've told them 1990 01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,790 where to go come here film film the 1991 01:20:41,810 --> 01:20:40,320 helicopters filming the aircraft and 1992 01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:41,820 everything you're ultimately going to 1993 01:20:46,010 --> 01:20:43,800 grind up getting a picture of a UFO at 1994 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:46,020 some point or a video of a UFO and 1995 01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:47,370 you're also going to get a bunch of 1996 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:49,020 really really cool military hardware 1997 01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:51,450 that are taxpayers you know my tax 1998 01:20:56,060 --> 01:20:53,340 dollars paid for you know and that's 1999 01:20:57,890 --> 01:20:56,070 that's acting on our behalf mysteriously 2000 01:20:59,930 --> 01:20:57,900 without explanation and we are owed an 2001 01:21:02,630 --> 01:20:59,940 explanation for what they're doing here 2002 01:21:05,090 --> 01:21:02,640 because you wouldn't had this no area 2003 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:05,100 has a 24-hour air show like this you 2004 01:21:09,710 --> 01:21:08,250 know so yeah come here come and see come 2005 01:21:11,660 --> 01:21:09,720 to Southern California come to Catalina 2006 01:21:13,370 --> 01:21:11,670 Island coming to Monrovia and Pasadena 2007 01:21:14,990 --> 01:21:13,380 actually all these Fort Hill communities 2008 01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:15,000 they're all rife with this kind of 2009 01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:17,460 activity something's happening and the 2010 01:21:22,460 --> 01:21:20,070 UFO community just needs to wake up 2011 01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:22,470 they're you know they're focused on all 2012 01:21:26,420 --> 01:21:24,510 the TTS a step which is great and the 2013 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:26,430 Nimet stuff which is great but they 2014 01:21:30,710 --> 01:21:28,770 should realize that one of the squadrons 2015 01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:30,720 of aircraft that appeared here on 2016 01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:32,490 January you know in February and 2017 01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:33,960 everything because of my January 1st 2018 01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,590 2017 sighting those those one of those 2019 01:21:42,500 --> 01:21:40,080 squadrons probably came from one from 2020 01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:42,510 the Nimitz so this aircraft carrier is 2021 01:21:46,399 --> 01:21:44,640 central to what's going on and I don't 2022 01:21:48,890 --> 01:21:46,409 know I don't understand them now you 2023 01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:48,900 just per se I'm just a guy who happens 2024 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:50,280 to who happens to have a science 2025 01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:52,770 background and happens to live and I 2026 01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:54,300 guess what a ufologist would say is the 2027 01:21:57,919 --> 01:21:56,219 right place at the right time but for me 2028 01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,929 is the wrong place the wrong time and 2029 01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,760 has been the bane of my existence now 2030 01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:02,400 but I'm not I'm tired of being squashed 2031 01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:04,650 I'm tired of having my my income 2032 01:22:08,660 --> 01:22:06,449 tampered with my electronic tampered 2033 01:22:10,490 --> 01:22:08,670 with with being followed and and 2034 01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:10,500 everything in harassed and aircraft 2035 01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:12,270 buzzing my house in the middle of than 2036 01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:14,370 all hours of the night you know I had 2037 01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:15,600 one time where were they were 2038 01:22:19,820 --> 01:22:17,310 helicopters here for three hours 2039 01:22:21,470 --> 01:22:19,830 just hanging taking turns hanging over 2040 01:22:23,959 --> 01:22:21,480 the house and playing cat-and-mouse with 2041 01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,969 me and I videoed it and at one point I 2042 01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:26,159 go over this in my second book and so I 2043 01:22:29,959 --> 01:22:27,960 urge people to pick up a copy when it 2044 01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:29,969 comes out so you know what's going on I 2045 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:32,130 actually you hear me in the video going 2046 01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:34,650 you know say something the fact I wonder 2047 01:22:41,090 --> 01:22:38,790 if he sees me the helicopter nods think 2048 01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:41,100 of the audacity of the pilot to do that 2049 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:42,840 need a little does a little nod like 2050 01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:45,210 yeah I see you and I which means he also 2051 01:22:51,470 --> 01:22:46,489 hears me 2052 01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:51,480 so why you tell me you know I I'm tired 2053 01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:53,580 of being singled out like this but maybe 2054 01:22:57,050 --> 01:22:55,230 if enough people come out here and push 2055 01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:57,060 back and start seeing what I'm seeing 2056 01:23:00,800 --> 01:22:59,010 then maybe there'll be some answers to 2057 01:23:03,229 --> 01:23:00,810 all these questions because I don't 2058 01:23:05,419 --> 01:23:03,239 think I'm that special I'm special only 2059 01:23:08,060 --> 01:23:05,429 because it's a science person who 2060 01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:08,070 happens to be living in the right like I 2061 01:23:11,180 --> 01:23:09,960 said the wrong place or there and at the 2062 01:23:14,030 --> 01:23:11,190 wrong time or right place right time 2063 01:23:16,669 --> 01:23:14,040 from a ufologist point of view that 2064 01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:16,679 makes sense I don't know if it makes 2065 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:20,940 sense but I hear you yeah so the lines 2066 01:23:27,919 --> 01:23:23,010 are open if anyone wants to call in and 2067 01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:27,929 that number is 85 kg are a live that 2068 01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:30,360 phone number you can write it down up is 2069 01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:34,560 eight five five four seven two five four 2070 01:23:39,919 --> 01:23:37,980 eight three so the lines are open if 2071 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:39,929 anyone wants to give us a call and we do 2072 01:23:44,530 --> 01:23:41,610 have a call screen or waiting here for 2073 01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:44,540 you and would love to get some feedback 2074 01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:49,920 about this this story I've listened to a 2075 01:23:54,860 --> 01:23:52,440 lot of people tell a lot of different 2076 01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:54,870 stories this one 2077 01:24:01,610 --> 01:23:57,330 I have to say this one's a tough one for 2078 01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:01,620 me and you know I'm not I'm not calling 2079 01:24:05,630 --> 01:24:03,690 you a liar I'm not calling I'm not 2080 01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:05,640 saying that at all but I'm just telling 2081 01:24:11,900 --> 01:24:08,760 you the story is just fantastical and 2082 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:11,910 it's really hard but the cig wall the 2083 01:24:15,230 --> 01:24:13,650 pictures and the videos yet to wrap your 2084 01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:15,240 mind around it I have trouble wrapping 2085 01:24:20,150 --> 01:24:18,630 my my mind around I look at all the 2086 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:20,160 footage that I have the pictures and the 2087 01:24:29,060 --> 01:24:23,850 videos and it just it's mind-numbing so 2088 01:24:30,980 --> 01:24:29,070 my my my answer to you is that a lizand 2089 01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:30,990 o or some of these other people if 2090 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:33,060 you're listening to me I'm not 2091 01:24:37,610 --> 01:24:35,010 interested in necessarily being on the 2092 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:37,620 air and you know and blah blah blah and 2093 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:39,690 your shows that all that come here 2094 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:41,970 I'll show you my footage you need to 2095 01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:44,010 look at this and you need to respond to 2096 01:24:48,890 --> 01:24:47,340 it uh-huh and as your footage you 2097 01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:48,900 mentioned you have a number of things up 2098 01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:51,570 on line so do you have like right now 2099 01:24:56,420 --> 01:24:53,870 the listener can jump over and actually 2100 01:24:59,960 --> 01:24:56,430 see some of these videos and where would 2101 01:25:01,610 --> 01:24:59,970 they find them or or pictures so the 2102 01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:01,620 pictures the pictures are in the book 2103 01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:03,750 and the pictures are also on the on road 2104 01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:07,110 Netcom some of select some of them are 2105 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:09,210 on that video which is just on YouTube 2106 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:11,850 intersect the movie but if you go to 2107 01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:14,970 just Road Nick calm it's all there sort 2108 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:16,440 of right there and I will be adding 2109 01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:20,010 stuff also there and I've never built a 2110 01:25:23,540 --> 01:25:21,450 website before so people have to bear 2111 01:25:26,530 --> 01:25:23,550 with me this is not you know a social 2112 01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:26,540 media and website savvy type of person 2113 01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:29,130 this is now what I do some out of my 2114 01:25:33,980 --> 01:25:31,320 element and I'm trying to move as fast 2115 01:25:35,690 --> 01:25:33,990 as I can while at the same time trying 2116 01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:35,700 to finish the second book for everybody 2117 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:39,360 so everybody can can read it and and to 2118 01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:41,370 be honest I have no idea you know what's 2119 01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:42,480 going to happen after the second book 2120 01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:45,210 and everything I I sort of reached a 2121 01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:46,860 crossroads and everything I wouldn't say 2122 01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:48,420 an intersection but a crossroads because 2123 01:25:53,150 --> 01:25:50,250 a couple weeks ago there was an event 2124 01:25:55,550 --> 01:25:53,160 here which I spoke about and at another 2125 01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:55,560 interview where where there were 2126 01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:58,800 helicopters that were circling in a just 2127 01:26:02,750 --> 01:26:00,600 little pocket of a valley here above my 2128 01:26:04,610 --> 01:26:02,760 house and I went outside it was just 2129 01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,620 past midnight and there's obviously 2130 01:26:07,620 --> 01:26:06,480 something that was it was there that was 2131 01:26:09,419 --> 01:26:07,630 hovering 2132 01:26:11,939 --> 01:26:09,429 one helicopter was there and then a 2133 01:26:13,740 --> 01:26:11,949 military helicopter showed up and then a 2134 01:26:16,050 --> 01:26:13,750 third helicopter joined and I'm trying 2135 01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,060 to desperately it's night night footage 2136 01:26:21,209 --> 01:26:18,880 is really hard to shoot you know I'm not 2137 01:26:22,890 --> 01:26:21,219 a videographer so I just do the best I 2138 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:22,900 can with a handheld digital camera and 2139 01:26:27,149 --> 01:26:24,730 I'm trying to dock him at this and after 2140 01:26:28,379 --> 01:26:27,159 and this went on people's lights were 2141 01:26:29,700 --> 01:26:28,389 coming on all over the neighborhood 2142 01:26:31,050 --> 01:26:29,710 people were looking out their windows 2143 01:26:33,570 --> 01:26:31,060 what's going on most people just 2144 01:26:35,850 --> 01:26:33,580 basically looked out Oh helicopters and 2145 01:26:38,669 --> 01:26:35,860 then they simply went back to sleep and 2146 01:26:40,890 --> 01:26:38,679 I sort of stood my ground and just 2147 01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,900 trying to film and try to get a shot of 2148 01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,639 what it is that they're reacting to and 2149 01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:44,560 circling you know on and on and a 2150 01:26:48,030 --> 01:26:46,570 military helicopter trying to get a look 2151 01:26:49,530 --> 01:26:48,040 at it you know so I could identify it 2152 01:26:51,689 --> 01:26:49,540 because everything it's dark the 2153 01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:51,699 military helicopter was in with lights 2154 01:26:55,530 --> 01:26:54,250 off now how's that for you know and I 2155 01:26:57,330 --> 01:26:55,540 got only catch glimpses of it with 2156 01:26:59,580 --> 01:26:57,340 binoculars so I had binoculars in a 2157 01:27:03,060 --> 01:26:59,590 camera and I'd walked up I actually left 2158 01:27:05,490 --> 01:27:03,070 my house and walked up about a block and 2159 01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:05,500 a half from my house up into the 2160 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:06,940 hillside as much as I could get a view 2161 01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:09,610 of what was going on and I've been 2162 01:27:16,979 --> 01:27:13,360 warned by my DoD contact by other people 2163 01:27:19,229 --> 01:27:16,989 sort of in the know that you know this 2164 01:27:21,660 --> 01:27:19,239 whole thing with MIBs that I did have 2165 01:27:23,310 --> 01:27:21,670 gone through that have shown up that 2166 01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:23,320 have pushed on me that I elaborated in 2167 01:27:26,910 --> 01:27:24,400 the book and there are other things that 2168 01:27:28,530 --> 01:27:26,920 have happened since that be careful 2169 01:27:30,959 --> 01:27:28,540 because they they you know there's a 2170 01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:30,969 line that you across and they you know 2171 01:27:35,370 --> 01:27:33,100 they're and these are not nice people 2172 01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,380 and and they're not there as far as I'm 2173 01:27:40,050 --> 01:27:37,120 concerned that's why I call mid runes in 2174 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:40,060 my book but um but a line was crossed 2175 01:27:43,770 --> 01:27:41,770 that night just a couple weeks ago 2176 01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:43,780 because when I was trying to get this 2177 01:27:48,330 --> 01:27:45,940 footage a white van pull up pulled up 2178 01:27:51,450 --> 01:27:48,340 the street and it parked them aside with 2179 01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,460 lights on and it's unmarked no license 2180 01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:53,199 plate no nothing and I'm like okay my 2181 01:27:56,820 --> 01:27:54,880 radar went up like something's going on 2182 01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:56,830 I I've seen this before here and 2183 01:28:01,620 --> 01:27:58,650 everything with unmarked cars drive by 2184 01:28:04,260 --> 01:28:01,630 and if you look at my book also there's 2185 01:28:05,370 --> 01:28:04,270 a picture of a where this airforce may 2186 01:28:07,169 --> 01:28:05,380 have been everything parks in front of 2187 01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:07,179 our house with this massive telephoto 2188 01:28:11,540 --> 01:28:09,730 lens and looking deep into our house and 2189 01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:11,550 I had pictures of this person's face 2190 01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:14,230 okay so I didn't post the face because I 2191 01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:16,480 realized of national security but all I 2192 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:18,489 can say is don't push me these people 2193 01:28:24,090 --> 01:28:21,370 and everything or I will out the face 2194 01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:24,100 I don't say the line I would say 2195 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:26,680 screw that I would I'd post anything if 2196 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:27,930 I were you I wouldn't worry about 2197 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:31,210 national security we have a caller I 2198 01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:34,810 would worry I would be or just to finish 2199 01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:36,370 my story and I'll be happy to take the 2200 01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:39,310 caller that line was crossed because 2201 01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:42,910 that white van then moved cut the cuts 2202 01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:44,650 of Street off and everything in half and 2203 01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:46,960 two guys got out folded their hands and 2204 01:28:50,460 --> 01:28:49,090 stared me down and when I tried to point 2205 01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:50,470 my camera at them they started walking 2206 01:28:55,950 --> 01:28:52,780 towards me and they opened the side door 2207 01:28:57,570 --> 01:28:55,960 of the van which is basically we're 2208 01:29:00,300 --> 01:28:57,580 taking you if you point that camera at 2209 01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:00,310 us and I had to back off and I had to 2210 01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:01,210 leave the area 2211 01:29:05,970 --> 01:29:04,720 now that's crossing a hole I don't plan 2212 01:29:09,090 --> 01:29:05,980 to disappear in the middle of the night 2213 01:29:11,010 --> 01:29:09,100 and this is a whole new ballgame now for 2214 01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:11,020 me all right anyway so now the caller 2215 01:29:42,170 --> 01:29:14,800 yeah we have John from Illinois John 2216 01:29:48,330 --> 01:29:45,620 little bit more than they really should 2217 01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:48,340 say where I like actively trying to do 2218 01:29:51,420 --> 01:29:49,450 anything for me 2219 01:29:55,950 --> 01:29:51,430 are you sure that maybe it's not just 2220 01:29:58,800 --> 01:29:55,960 coincidence yeah because I'm not I don't 2221 01:30:00,750 --> 01:29:58,810 live next to an airport so it's not it's 2222 01:30:03,480 --> 01:30:00,760 not a coincidence think about it's not 2223 01:30:05,580 --> 01:30:03,490 in the airport but you live next to an 2224 01:30:08,580 --> 01:30:05,590 airport but do you see vipers Venom's 2225 01:30:12,420 --> 01:30:08,590 Blackhawks Apaches Kiowas Ravens Ospreys 2226 01:30:14,910 --> 01:30:12,430 Chinooks compass calls Hawk eyes flying 2227 01:30:25,610 --> 01:30:14,920 over over your house you know all the 2228 01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:28,080 yeah there are I don't live next to a 2229 01:30:32,930 --> 01:30:31,540 naval base so I live in the financial 2230 01:30:35,009 --> 01:30:32,940 against the foothills and everything 2231 01:30:37,109 --> 01:30:35,019 sort of in the middle of there's 2232 01:30:40,019 --> 01:30:37,119 wilderness on one side and cities on the 2233 01:30:43,799 --> 01:30:40,029 other so there is no air base or or a 2234 01:30:46,409 --> 01:30:43,809 naval base next to me at all and these 2235 01:30:48,899 --> 01:30:46,419 mines use these aircrafts these aircraft 2236 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:48,909 they're dropping behind the hill there 2237 01:30:53,609 --> 01:30:51,010 is no air base behind the hill yet I 2238 01:30:55,559 --> 01:30:53,619 have video footage and pictures of these 2239 01:30:58,409 --> 01:30:55,569 aircraft dropping behind the hill and 2240 01:31:00,329 --> 01:30:58,419 landing in the hillside behind so there 2241 01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:00,339 I there's no reasonable explanation for 2242 01:31:04,169 --> 01:31:02,649 that that that's just mind blowing and I 2243 01:31:06,389 --> 01:31:04,179 I don't know I don't know what they're 2244 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:06,399 doing so that's that's my whole question 2245 01:31:19,049 --> 01:31:09,010 is I want the community to respond and 2246 01:31:21,929 --> 01:31:19,059 to dig into this they're landing in the 2247 01:31:24,449 --> 01:31:21,939 hillsides that are that are federally in 2248 01:31:25,949 --> 01:31:24,459 state controlled lands before they were 2249 01:31:36,029 --> 01:31:25,959 open to hiking now they've all been 2250 01:31:38,309 --> 01:31:36,039 closed off which is also get weird yeah 2251 01:31:40,979 --> 01:31:38,319 you know our taxpayer dollars pay for 2252 01:31:42,809 --> 01:31:40,989 the military aircraft and a lot of 2253 01:31:45,059 --> 01:31:42,819 people here are scared when they look up 2254 01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:45,069 they told me oh I see the Osprey and it 2255 01:31:48,389 --> 01:31:46,719 scares me and well why didn't scare you 2256 01:31:50,459 --> 01:31:48,399 we paid for that it's supposed to defend 2257 01:31:52,889 --> 01:31:50,469 us we should know what it's doing this 2258 01:31:56,849 --> 01:31:52,899 stuff it's not a bad question to ask you 2259 01:32:04,739 --> 01:31:56,859 know okay what about the cars in front 2260 01:32:06,389 --> 01:32:04,749 of your house yeah that's great because 2261 01:32:08,009 --> 01:32:06,399 you know what the cops are part of that 2262 01:32:09,389 --> 01:32:08,019 whole thing I have pictures and 2263 01:32:11,339 --> 01:32:09,399 everything of cop the cops are following 2264 01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:11,349 me that you've seen my Twitter and 2265 01:32:16,889 --> 01:32:13,449 everything I just had a run-in recently 2266 01:32:18,209 --> 01:32:16,899 where they they they waited till I was 2267 01:32:19,919 --> 01:32:18,219 leaving my house and then they wait to 2268 01:32:21,269 --> 01:32:19,929 my house but I doubled back when I 2269 01:32:23,099 --> 01:32:21,279 caught them in front of my house and 2270 01:32:24,750 --> 01:32:23,109 then they took off so they're part of 2271 01:32:27,299 --> 01:32:24,760 this surveillance and I've reached out 2272 01:32:29,759 --> 01:32:27,309 again to context that I have and it's in 2273 01:32:35,969 --> 01:32:29,769 the security or dark world if you want 2274 01:32:38,189 --> 01:32:35,979 to call it that and cops are Dave and 2275 01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:38,199 today I was told that probably the cops 2276 01:32:42,119 --> 01:32:40,329 don't know what they're doing I don't 2277 01:32:43,109 --> 01:32:42,129 mean that in a facetious way they don't 2278 01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:43,119 know what they're doing in the sense 2279 01:32:46,199 --> 01:32:44,409 they've simply been told that there's a 2280 01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:46,209 national security issue at stake and 2281 01:32:49,069 --> 01:32:48,369 that they're supposed to do certain 2282 01:32:54,139 --> 01:32:49,079 things 2283 01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:54,149 that's all they probably know however 2284 01:32:59,089 --> 01:32:56,699 one thing that has come up that's new 2285 01:33:00,500 --> 01:32:59,099 that I will be adding in my book that 2286 01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:00,510 wasn't in my book that just came to 2287 01:33:06,079 --> 01:33:03,510 light a matter of only a month less than 2288 01:33:08,270 --> 01:33:06,089 a month ago is that there are cops here 2289 01:33:10,819 --> 01:33:08,280 that and this is a new term for the UFO 2290 01:33:15,020 --> 01:33:10,829 community so you heard it here first 2291 01:33:16,759 --> 01:33:15,030 pacifiers and pacifiers are cops that 2292 01:33:18,770 --> 01:33:16,769 have been read in that no national 2293 01:33:21,859 --> 01:33:18,780 security issues and know about UFOs and 2294 01:33:24,379 --> 01:33:21,869 they show up to make sure to squelch any 2295 01:33:25,939 --> 01:33:24,389 filming and deter anybody from asking 2296 01:33:27,619 --> 01:33:25,949 questions and get people to move along 2297 01:33:28,939 --> 01:33:27,629 but there's nothing to see even if 2298 01:33:30,739 --> 01:33:28,949 something is hanging right up in front 2299 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:30,749 of you they make sure you simply leave 2300 01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:33,570 and they're called pacifiers and that's 2301 01:33:37,489 --> 01:33:35,280 and that's some sort of national 2302 01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:37,499 security term that that's used you know 2303 01:33:42,589 --> 01:33:40,260 among you know among the security types 2304 01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:42,599 I'd never heard that term but now you 2305 01:33:46,279 --> 01:33:44,729 know I'm making it public and everything 2306 01:33:50,359 --> 01:33:46,289 and everybody should know and you should 2307 01:33:53,719 --> 01:33:50,369 be wary of these people Mauryan I have 2308 01:33:57,169 --> 01:33:53,729 to say this to you you're not gonna like 2309 01:33:59,000 --> 01:33:57,179 me for saying this but I have a I have 2310 01:34:02,270 --> 01:33:59,010 to tell you that I'm just not buying 2311 01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:02,280 this I'm not buying your story i I've 2312 01:34:05,979 --> 01:34:04,050 never done this to a guest before but 2313 01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:05,989 I'm gonna have to say goodbye to you and 2314 01:34:11,689 --> 01:34:09,449 I really apologize I'm not gonna say 2315 01:34:14,689 --> 01:34:11,699 anything negative about you but I'm just 2316 01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:14,699 not buying this story even though I have 2317 01:34:19,129 --> 01:34:17,129 footage and video and pictures I think 2318 01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:19,139 you know I think you may have something 2319 01:34:25,069 --> 01:34:22,050 with that but I think you are well over 2320 01:34:26,779 --> 01:34:25,079 glorifying the whole thing I don't buy 2321 01:34:28,549 --> 01:34:26,789 this not over Laura crying somebody 2322 01:34:30,799 --> 01:34:28,559 parked in front of my house with all the 2323 01:34:33,349 --> 01:34:30,809 photos and get them out of my house I 2324 01:34:36,109 --> 01:34:33,359 don't think that I I just don't I don't 2325 01:34:38,359 --> 01:34:36,119 see that but anyway I thank you for 2326 01:34:40,939 --> 01:34:38,369 being on our show I really do but that's 2327 01:34:44,299 --> 01:34:40,949 it for me I'm sorry to do this to you 2328 01:34:46,609 --> 01:34:44,309 but that's it okay well thank you for 2329 01:34:48,319 --> 01:34:46,619 having me on and I appreciate the time 2330 01:34:53,209 --> 01:34:48,329 that you've given me yes all right you 2331 01:34:54,679 --> 01:34:53,219 take care okay all right you too all 2332 01:34:58,699 --> 01:34:54,689 right everyone well that's actually a 2333 01:35:01,879 --> 01:34:58,709 first for me and I'm sorry I I just felt 2334 01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:01,889 like I had to do that and if anyone 2335 01:35:04,940 --> 01:35:02,910 wants to call in 2336 01:35:06,890 --> 01:35:04,950 you are welcome to call in other than 2337 01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:06,900 that I'm going to stop the show 2338 01:35:14,300 --> 01:35:10,110 right now but the phone number is eight 2339 01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:14,310 five five four seven two five four eight 2340 01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:16,650 three anyone wants to call in and just 2341 01:35:21,500 --> 01:35:19,440 say hi we have still we have like 20 2342 01:35:24,530 --> 01:35:21,510 minutes left or there abouts if anyone 2343 01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:24,540 wants to call in and talk about a UFO 2344 01:35:30,740 --> 01:35:26,520 sighting again I'm not going to bash our 2345 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:30,750 guests but I just felt like I had to do 2346 01:35:33,710 --> 01:35:31,170 that 2347 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:33,720 and so anyone wants to call in otherwise 2348 01:35:38,270 --> 01:35:36,930 I'm going to call them tonight and next 2349 01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,280 week is going to be a little tricky for 2350 01:35:42,710 --> 01:35:41,040 all the regular listeners because next 2351 01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:42,720 week I'm going to be at the UFO Congress 2352 01:35:47,690 --> 01:35:45,600 I'm actually going to be in the air when 2353 01:35:50,690 --> 01:35:47,700 this show is supposed to be on the air 2354 01:35:53,180 --> 01:35:50,700 so what I'm going to do is I'm going to 2355 01:35:56,270 --> 01:35:53,190 have a show probably either Wednesday or 2356 01:35:58,430 --> 01:35:56,280 Thursday evening for those of you on 2357 01:36:00,410 --> 01:35:58,440 YouTube just keep your eye on the 2358 01:36:01,670 --> 01:36:00,420 channel you can if you're not subscribed 2359 01:36:04,670 --> 01:36:01,680 to my channel you can also get 2360 01:36:08,930 --> 01:36:04,680 notifications by clicking the little 2361 01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:08,940 bell thing next to subscribe so you can 2362 01:36:14,300 --> 01:36:11,730 subscribe and get notices that way 2363 01:36:16,010 --> 01:36:14,310 anyone can get a notice of when a show 2364 01:36:18,170 --> 01:36:16,020 is going to be done because I do have a 2365 01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:18,180 mailing list that's on my website all 2366 01:36:22,580 --> 01:36:19,920 you have to do is pop your email into 2367 01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:22,590 that and you'll get weekly notices of 2368 01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:24,780 who's going to be on the show 2369 01:36:30,620 --> 01:36:27,840 so I actually have a caller on the line 2370 01:36:34,130 --> 01:36:30,630 and I will take that call as soon as he 2371 01:36:37,580 --> 01:36:34,140 is screened and so next week again I'll 2372 01:36:40,340 --> 01:36:37,590 be at the UFO Congress and I have a very 2373 01:36:42,710 --> 01:36:40,350 popular roundtable usually going on I 2374 01:36:44,330 --> 01:36:42,720 will tell you that also if you do 2375 01:36:47,630 --> 01:36:44,340 subscribe to the show I'm probably going 2376 01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:47,640 to have a couple of a couple of bonus 2377 01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:50,610 shows that I'm going to give to 2378 01:36:55,820 --> 01:36:54,210 subscribers so that'll do interviews 2379 01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:55,830 hopefully I'll get a nice interview with 2380 01:37:01,550 --> 01:36:58,530 George Knapp for now I have looks like 2381 01:37:05,300 --> 01:37:01,560 Dave Altman friend of the show Dave how 2382 01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:05,310 are you hey Martin how's it going I'm 2383 01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:07,110 doing good thanks for thinking I'll call 2384 01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:12,330 again yeah you know I I got on I got on 2385 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:15,360 and I was moderating and I forgot that I 2386 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:15,850 had 2387 01:37:21,450 --> 01:37:17,770 conference call scheduled with Kevin day 2388 01:37:23,820 --> 01:37:21,460 and Gary Voorhees so I left the show on 2389 01:37:26,190 --> 01:37:23,830 I turn the volume down and we talked 2390 01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:26,200 three of us talked for about you know 45 2391 01:37:30,990 --> 01:37:29,110 minutes I hang up and then I go back in 2392 01:37:34,350 --> 01:37:31,000 the chat and I turned the volume up and 2393 01:37:36,540 --> 01:37:34,360 all here is I'm sorry sir but this is 2394 01:37:39,930 --> 01:37:36,550 the first time I'm gonna have to you 2395 01:37:41,490 --> 01:37:39,940 know let somebody off the show and I'm 2396 01:37:43,220 --> 01:37:41,500 reading reading everybody in the chat 2397 01:37:45,150 --> 01:37:43,230 and they're like saying these things 2398 01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:45,160 unbelievable you know I'm gonna have to 2399 01:37:50,130 --> 01:37:47,280 go back and re-watch the whole thing 2400 01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,140 yeah I mean you know I could be wrong I 2401 01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:52,000 mean maybe I should be more open-minded 2402 01:37:59,010 --> 01:37:55,360 but I just thought it was just too far 2403 01:38:01,110 --> 01:37:59,020 over the top you know maybe I'm totally 2404 01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:01,120 wrong I don't know but I just felt like 2405 01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:04,060 I oh no no no does anybody if anybody if 2406 01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:06,880 anybody right exactly if anybody would 2407 01:38:13,050 --> 01:38:10,450 be able to and I know you so and I know 2408 01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:13,060 how you interview and if anybody were 2409 01:38:18,540 --> 01:38:15,790 able to figure something kind of fishy 2410 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:18,550 out it's you and you did the right thing 2411 01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:20,890 you know you did the right thing well 2412 01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:22,780 thank you I'm sure I'm gonna get some 2413 01:38:27,210 --> 01:38:24,730 hate mail from him and that's okay and 2414 01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:27,220 you know he has yes but I'm sure you 2415 01:38:33,950 --> 01:38:29,710 know books his next books coming out I'm 2416 01:38:36,150 --> 01:38:33,960 just you know but anyway oh wait wait 2417 01:38:40,590 --> 01:38:36,160 speaking of which I want to let you know 2418 01:38:46,050 --> 01:38:40,600 that Kevin day his book his book just 2419 01:38:48,630 --> 01:38:46,060 came out which is a fictional but I've 2420 01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:48,640 no you probably heard him explain it yes 2421 01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:51,130 a an account of the nimitz encounter but 2422 01:38:55,170 --> 01:38:53,170 if you wrote it years ago right but he 2423 01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,180 wrote it in a fictional light right 2424 01:38:59,580 --> 01:38:57,280 right it just came out and it's on 2425 01:39:01,140 --> 01:38:59,590 Amazon it came out yesterday oh how 2426 01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:01,150 about that yeah he told me he wrote it 2427 01:39:06,900 --> 01:39:04,990 you know a long time ago too I think he 2428 01:39:10,380 --> 01:39:06,910 just had to work things out in his mind 2429 01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:10,390 that way you know and and right therapy 2430 01:39:16,230 --> 01:39:13,360 for him right exactly so you won't 2431 01:39:18,270 --> 01:39:16,240 happen and he will see you will yeah I'm 2432 01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:18,280 coming with Kevin to Phoenix oh my god 2433 01:39:23,130 --> 01:39:19,810 okay well we'll see you next week 2434 01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:23,140 awesome I can't wait exactly exactly and 2435 01:39:27,210 --> 01:39:25,210 we'll have a signed copy of Kevin's book 2436 01:39:29,100 --> 01:39:27,220 with us for you all right sounds great 2437 01:39:29,609 --> 01:39:29,110 we'll have dinner together or something 2438 01:39:32,459 --> 01:39:29,619 but 2439 01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:32,469 all right okay yes we will Alpena Creek 2440 01:39:38,339 --> 01:39:34,290 all right take care thanks for the call 2441 01:39:40,919 --> 01:39:38,349 okay we have James calling from Bellevue 2442 01:39:43,850 --> 01:39:40,929 Washington my sister's visiting here 2443 01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:43,860 she's about 15 miles away from Seattle 2444 01:39:50,250 --> 01:39:46,239 it's beautiful out that way welcome to 2445 01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:50,260 the show James yeah Thank You Martin 2446 01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:53,920 thanks a lot for an interesting well I 2447 01:39:58,500 --> 01:39:56,290 actually I often my car and was driving 2448 01:40:01,800 --> 01:39:58,510 home listening on Tuesday like usual and 2449 01:40:04,740 --> 01:40:01,810 I only caught the tail end of of that 2450 01:40:06,930 --> 01:40:04,750 but I will tell you that first of all I 2451 01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:06,940 commend you for doing doing what you did 2452 01:40:16,620 --> 01:40:10,570 and I I made the mistake of buying his 2453 01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:16,630 book and and I don't know what's going 2454 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:21,040 on there but but I I had the exact same 2455 01:40:27,209 --> 01:40:23,770 reaction reading the book cause you seem 2456 01:40:28,859 --> 01:40:27,219 to have there at the end on I just 2457 01:40:33,870 --> 01:40:28,869 couldn't deal with it anymore 2458 01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:33,880 and anyway I but I I do love your show 2459 01:40:37,770 --> 01:40:36,310 and and I appreciate the time and the 2460 01:40:41,459 --> 01:40:37,780 hard work you put in and that must've 2461 01:40:45,180 --> 01:40:41,469 been hard yeah I mean I'd never I got I 2462 01:40:47,220 --> 01:40:45,190 didn't want to do it but yeah so but I 2463 01:40:49,410 --> 01:40:47,230 do appreciate it so you actually catch 2464 01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:49,420 my show while you're driving so on 2465 01:40:54,990 --> 01:40:51,010 YouTube is that how you do it how do you 2466 01:40:58,320 --> 01:40:55,000 do it yeah I do it on YouTube with my 2467 01:41:02,250 --> 01:40:58,330 phone and so you know it's got a 2468 01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:02,260 bluetooth and I just pop in and hit it 2469 01:41:09,330 --> 01:41:04,960 hit your show is that it's perfect for 2470 01:41:11,220 --> 01:41:09,340 me in the afternoon here and and I got a 2471 01:41:14,609 --> 01:41:11,230 little bit of a drive not not bad 2472 01:41:17,459 --> 01:41:14,619 compared to most people but then I you 2473 01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:17,469 know I uh catch every Tuesday all right 2474 01:41:21,209 --> 01:41:18,400 well that's excellent 2475 01:41:28,970 --> 01:41:21,219 hey what have you ever had a personal 2476 01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:28,980 sighting yourself yeah twice I have I 2477 01:41:36,060 --> 01:41:32,290 the second one was the motor sort of 2478 01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:36,070 spectacular of the two iPhones but and 2479 01:41:43,470 --> 01:41:40,110 it happened just last December 30th 2480 01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:43,480 right before New Year's Eve and 2481 01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,239 my brother-in-law and I we were all 2482 01:41:50,729 --> 01:41:49,360 together for dinner that night and he 2483 01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:50,739 and I stepped out kind of on the back 2484 01:41:56,970 --> 01:41:53,050 porch he smokes and I wanted to look 2485 01:41:59,370 --> 01:41:56,980 around outside and he's a big skeptic 2486 01:42:02,640 --> 01:41:59,380 and has been for years he's teasing me 2487 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:02,650 for years and we are standing out there 2488 01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:05,050 looking around and my folks live out in 2489 01:42:09,390 --> 01:42:07,510 a very rural area and there's no light 2490 01:42:11,310 --> 01:42:09,400 pollution and the stars were just 2491 01:42:15,470 --> 01:42:11,320 spectacular and I look up there and 2492 01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:15,480 there's this there's this brilliant 2493 01:42:22,919 --> 01:42:20,080 white light which I don't know if my 2494 01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:22,929 held my hand out at arm's length it may 2495 01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:25,810 have been somewhere say an eighth of an 2496 01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:28,540 inch in size you know or maybe a quarter 2497 01:42:35,310 --> 01:42:31,150 of an inch quite quite large and it was 2498 01:42:37,169 --> 01:42:35,320 moving from west to east and it was kind 2499 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:37,179 of moving slowly and I said hey Tim look 2500 01:42:42,030 --> 01:42:39,130 at that and we both look up and it was 2501 01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:42,040 nearly overhead and we both look up and 2502 01:42:46,770 --> 01:42:44,290 then it starts to kind of bend around in 2503 01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:46,780 a turn to the south not a like a sharp 2504 01:42:52,919 --> 01:42:49,690 90-degree turn but more of a bend and 2505 01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:52,929 then there was a second light there and 2506 01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:56,890 the first one merged with that and then 2507 01:43:02,310 --> 01:42:59,679 if they seemed to stop and then they 2508 01:43:05,130 --> 01:43:02,320 moved a little bit further to the south 2509 01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:05,140 and then they just sort of disappeared 2510 01:43:09,959 --> 01:43:06,610 it was like something stuck the light 2511 01:43:13,530 --> 01:43:09,969 away and there was a kind of a red a red 2512 01:43:16,140 --> 01:43:13,540 I don't know how to describe it but I 2513 01:43:21,060 --> 01:43:16,150 said did you see that and he goes yeah I 2514 01:43:23,250 --> 01:43:21,070 did and and he was a confirmed skeptic I 2515 01:43:25,050 --> 01:43:23,260 mean he was a deep bunker a real jerk 2516 01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:25,060 about it sometimes when he had a couple 2517 01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:28,690 drinks in and I and so several times 2518 01:43:33,660 --> 01:43:30,489 since then I tried to talk to him about 2519 01:43:34,709 --> 01:43:33,670 it he won't say a word he just says I 2520 01:43:37,410 --> 01:43:34,719 don't want to talk about it 2521 01:43:40,350 --> 01:43:37,420 and I don't know if it's fear or what it 2522 01:43:42,570 --> 01:43:40,360 is but it was an awesome thing it was 2523 01:43:44,700 --> 01:43:42,580 really cool it wasn't a saddle wasn't an 2524 01:43:47,550 --> 01:43:44,710 airplane was an ala copter wasn't a 2525 01:43:51,209 --> 01:43:47,560 drone it wasn't a Chinese landfill it 2526 01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:51,219 was way up there whatever it was and it 2527 01:43:57,310 --> 01:43:54,730 wasn't a satellite wow that's that's 2528 01:44:00,460 --> 01:43:57,320 really a great one and you know I hear 2529 01:44:02,350 --> 01:44:00,470 the time when someone will say you know 2530 01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:02,360 after sighting that they they don't want 2531 01:44:09,310 --> 01:44:06,530 to talk about it you know at all you 2532 01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:09,320 know I have a friend that he is actually 2533 01:44:12,670 --> 01:44:11,210 in the antiques and auction business and 2534 01:44:15,070 --> 01:44:12,680 occasionally this listens to the show 2535 01:44:17,260 --> 01:44:15,080 because he was walking with some friends 2536 01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:17,270 when he was about 14 years old and this 2537 01:44:21,550 --> 01:44:19,610 object was like right over them and they 2538 01:44:23,710 --> 01:44:21,560 could feel he felled it before he looked 2539 01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:23,720 up you know he could feel something or 2540 01:44:26,770 --> 01:44:25,310 whatever and he says to friends no 2541 01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:26,780 matter how much over the years he's 2542 01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:28,130 tried to get them to talk about it they 2543 01:44:31,870 --> 01:44:30,080 won't speak about it at all he said 2544 01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,880 they'll just like both of them just shot 2545 01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:33,440 him right out they that's it they don't 2546 01:44:36,460 --> 01:44:34,490 want to talk about it like it never 2547 01:44:38,620 --> 01:44:36,470 happened and that happens a lot 2548 01:44:42,850 --> 01:44:38,630 that's especially when you know someone 2549 01:44:44,260 --> 01:44:42,860 has you know a skeptic mind and they 2550 01:44:45,850 --> 01:44:44,270 don't wanted to just want to pass it off 2551 01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:45,860 as something else you said you had 2552 01:44:50,260 --> 01:44:47,450 another sighting was that was really a 2553 01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:50,270 good one and we have we actually have a 2554 01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:52,400 couple minutes left if you can tell us 2555 01:45:00,120 --> 01:44:56,570 about that sure sure yeah this I was 2556 01:45:03,820 --> 01:45:00,130 living in Fall City Washington which is 2557 01:45:07,630 --> 01:45:03,830 I don't know it's east of here about ten 2558 01:45:11,020 --> 01:45:07,640 miles and east of Seattle and again it's 2559 01:45:13,210 --> 01:45:11,030 a very rural area we had a really nice 2560 01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:13,220 place out there was before my boys had 2561 01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:17,600 grown up and my younger son and I were 2562 01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:20,210 out in the backyard and we were going to 2563 01:45:26,290 --> 01:45:22,880 pretend camping he was only but probably 2564 01:45:27,790 --> 01:45:26,300 six years old I think and and we had the 2565 01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:27,800 tent set up and we had a fire in the 2566 01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:30,290 fire pit and blah blah blah anyway I was 2567 01:45:39,070 --> 01:45:34,400 standing there looking north and I see 2568 01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:39,080 this brilliant white object coming 2569 01:45:45,060 --> 01:45:42,800 across going from again it was west to 2570 01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:45,070 east fairly low on the horizon and there 2571 01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:48,050 yes-no kwame National Forest was 2572 01:45:53,650 --> 01:45:49,970 immediately north of us there's nothing 2573 01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:53,660 up there and it moved in a straight line 2574 01:45:59,230 --> 01:45:56,810 in a very sort of deliberate fashion and 2575 01:46:00,610 --> 01:45:59,240 I was coming up with is that thing you 2576 01:46:02,590 --> 01:46:00,620 know I thought half maybe it's a 2577 01:46:05,500 --> 01:46:02,600 helicopter or whatever but it was too 2578 01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:05,510 big for that and there was no noise at 2579 01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:07,370 all and as it got closer and kind of 2580 01:46:13,850 --> 01:46:11,520 passed by me at that point if my 2581 01:46:17,150 --> 01:46:13,860 finger if I held my hand out it was 2582 01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:17,160 probably a good quarter of an inch in 2583 01:46:20,090 --> 01:46:17,730 size 2584 01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,100 and I thought maybe it's a landing light 2585 01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:22,080 on an airplane or something but it it 2586 01:46:25,580 --> 01:46:23,520 was shy if that's the case it would have 2587 01:46:27,230 --> 01:46:25,590 been shining off on the side and then I 2588 01:46:30,440 --> 01:46:27,240 noticed that the light had this very 2589 01:46:32,630 --> 01:46:30,450 weird effect to it it was like it was 2590 01:46:35,140 --> 01:46:32,640 confined there was no glare coming off 2591 01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:35,150 at at all it was like it was somehow 2592 01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:37,410 confine I don't know how to describe it 2593 01:46:42,380 --> 01:46:40,260 anyway and then it went off all the way 2594 01:46:44,420 --> 01:46:42,390 to the east and then went over the 2595 01:46:47,060 --> 01:46:44,430 Cascade Mountains or it's yet you know 2596 01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:47,070 went out and that whole thing from the 2597 01:46:50,510 --> 01:46:47,850 time I saw it 2598 01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:50,520 I've tried to reconstruct it till the 2599 01:46:57,410 --> 01:46:53,850 time I lost it was maybe six or seven 2600 01:46:59,120 --> 01:46:57,420 maybe eight seconds and that you know I 2601 01:47:02,240 --> 01:46:59,130 couldn't tell how far away it was or how 2602 01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:02,250 close it was but whatever it was it was 2603 01:47:09,050 --> 01:47:06,090 moving at quite a clip and it was a very 2604 01:47:10,370 --> 01:47:09,060 strange-looking thing i i i don't think 2605 01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:10,380 it was an airplane i don't think of a 2606 01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:12,320 helicopter i don't know what it was but 2607 01:47:16,940 --> 01:47:15,330 that was my person o lightning 2608 01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:16,950 yeah that would that would get me 2609 01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:18,930 interested in looking into it just that 2610 01:47:22,940 --> 01:47:21,360 alone you know it's funny you mentioned 2611 01:47:26,330 --> 01:47:22,950 about the light the way it almost seemed 2612 01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:26,340 like concealed and there's there are 2613 01:47:29,900 --> 01:47:28,080 stories about that there's actually 2614 01:47:32,540 --> 01:47:29,910 stories about beams of light for 2615 01:47:34,130 --> 01:47:32,550 instance Charles Hall talks about the 2616 01:47:37,070 --> 01:47:34,140 beam of light shooting down toward his 2617 01:47:39,110 --> 01:47:37,080 feet but it wasn't like of the normal 2618 01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:39,120 beam of light it was like it contained 2619 01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:43,530 somehow so yeah there's yeah yeah a lot 2620 01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:47,010 of really big mysteries in this so I 2621 01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:49,110 really appreciate the call James it's 2622 01:47:53,300 --> 01:47:51,570 actually been a pleasure talking to you 2623 01:47:57,370 --> 01:47:53,310 I wish you would have been the guest 2624 01:48:03,140 --> 01:48:00,350 hope to meet you sometime all right all 2625 01:48:05,090 --> 01:48:03,150 right you take care all right hey James 2626 01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:05,100 thank you James just before you hang up 2627 01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:06,930 yeah send me an email if you would 2628 01:48:10,970 --> 01:48:08,610 because I'm actually gonna be visiting 2629 01:48:13,250 --> 01:48:10,980 out that way and so send me an e-mail 2630 01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,260 martinet podcast UFO comm would be nice 2631 01:48:18,140 --> 01:48:15,600 to talk to you a little more but thanks 2632 01:48:20,540 --> 01:48:18,150 thanks again okay cool but oh I'll buy 2633 01:48:24,710 --> 01:48:20,550 your lunch all right all right take care 2634 01:48:25,310 --> 01:48:24,720 all right bye now okay everyone so we 2635 01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:25,320 made it 2636 01:48:29,330 --> 01:48:27,000 we did it that's the show for this 2637 01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:29,340 evening and thank you so much for your 2638 01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:32,159 patience and we'll see you next week at 2639 01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:34,770 some point I'll be over at the UFO 2640 01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:36,300 Congress I'm not really sure just keep 2641 01:48:40,069 --> 01:48:38,639 your eye on our website too I'll post 2642 01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:40,079 something there when the show is going 2643 01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,000 to go live and thanks so much everyone 2644 01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:44,400 and remember to keep your eyes to the 2645 01:48:48,979 --> 01:48:47,489 sky and it hits me oh my gosh this is 2646 01:48:50,419 --> 01:48:48,989 that triangle you know there's 2647 01:48:52,069 --> 01:48:50,429 explanation for everything that occurred 2648 01:48:54,530 --> 01:48:52,079 in the Rendlesham forest incident 2649 01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:54,540 it doesn't involve aliens at all it was 2650 01:49:01,970 --> 01:48:57,210 completely silent it comes right over 2651 01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:01,980 our head it's also really standing in 2652 01:49:05,180 --> 01:49:03,690 the clearing he turned over to my father 2653 01:49:11,209 --> 01:49:05,190 and held his hand and he looked in his 2654 01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:11,219 eyes and said we're not alone welcome to 2655 01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:14,639 podcast UFO for our live show during the 2656 01:49:19,129 --> 01:49:16,650 show feel free to participate live in